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rcurl
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response 200 of 306:
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Feb 29 20:34 UTC 2004 |
I haven't heard that any principles of chemical engineering, or practitioners
of them, were shown in the film.
You seemed to have responded with a knee=jerk reflex to my mentioning
"Hitler". I only cited that as a case where some Christians opposed his
behavior (few in Germany, though).
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aruba
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response 201 of 306:
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Feb 29 22:40 UTC 2004 |
Roger Ebert says "Passion of the Christ" is the most violent movie he's ever
seen. Wow.
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anderyn
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response 202 of 306:
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Feb 29 23:59 UTC 2004 |
Well, it would be hard for there to have been Norwegians or welshmen or
Chinese people at the Crucifixion. As far as I know, the only people
documented as living in Jerusalem at the time would have been Jewish or Roman,
possibly Greek. The only people therefore who COULD possibly have witnessed
it were rather limited. It's kind of stupid to blame Gibson for sticking
to the actual deomographics of the area at the time period and to say that
it's antisemitic.
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rcurl
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response 203 of 306:
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Mar 1 06:46 UTC 2004 |
You still don't understand. Simply because it is alleged to have taken
place in a Jewish community, with Jewish witnesses, the Jews are implicated.
History shows this clearly. It is an unfortunate, irrational, and bigoted
response, but its what people do. The alleged incident has ever after been
used to create anti-semitic environments, even if unjustly. THIS makes
the flaunting of the alleged incident antisemitic.
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remmers
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response 204 of 306:
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Mar 1 11:17 UTC 2004 |
Re #210: Ebert also gives "Passion" 4 stars. He thinks highly of it.
But he points out that the film's "R" likely reflects some ratings
politics -- had the victim of the violence been anyone but who it was,
it would have received an "NC-17", in Ebert's view.
Personally, I don't plan to see the movie. Possible anti-Semitism
aside, there's the fact that (a) it sounds like the violence is of a
kind for which I have low tolerance, and (b) what it celebrates is
so far outside my own belief system as to be insufficient to overcome
(a).
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md
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response 205 of 306:
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Mar 1 12:06 UTC 2004 |
It's like Titanic with all this buzz and the gigantic box office. It's
an "event sociological" (Truffaut's character Lacombe in "Close
Encounters"). You have to go see it or else you'll be left all alone
with your excuses for not going. Sad but true. ;-) If the lines ever
go away we might go see it.
It's possible to make great art out of almost any material. God knows
(sorry) there's been enough great art produced out of this particular
topic, including some rather grisly stuff. Remember the crucifixion
painting with the twisted spasming hands and body by some Northern
Renaissance painter (Grunewald?). I'd be surprised if Mel Gibson has
done anything that enduring, but I guess stranger things have happened.
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mary
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response 206 of 306:
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Mar 1 12:36 UTC 2004 |
I'm holding out for something based on fact instead of
fiction. Maybe, "The Rosary Rapes: 10,000 Children God
Forgot but Priests Found Memorable".
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remmers
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response 207 of 306:
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Mar 1 13:06 UTC 2004 |
Indeed. Whether and how soon it gets made is, again, a matter of politics.
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twenex
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response 208 of 306:
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Mar 1 15:09 UTC 2004 |
I would define refusal to accept the notion of "anti-Semitism" and denial of
the Holocaust as hallmarks of fundamentalist Christianity.
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remmers
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response 209 of 306:
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Mar 1 17:28 UTC 2004 |
You've *got* to be kidding...
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mcnally
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response 210 of 306:
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Mar 1 17:31 UTC 2004 |
re #206: Happy you. Until the movie you really want comes out you
can rent the recent film about the Magdalene Sisters and have your
very own smug-fest.
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klg
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response 211 of 306:
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Mar 1 17:48 UTC 2004 |
So. How many synagogues did the arsonists hit last weekend?
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jmsaul
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response 212 of 306:
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Mar 1 23:03 UTC 2004 |
Even William Safire thinks it's anti-semitic and dangerous.
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rcurl
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response 213 of 306:
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Mar 2 01:11 UTC 2004 |
I even think it could not have gotten into the theaters at all except for
the "Jesus" cover. Once that button is pushed a whole bunch of people go
into mental lock-step like zombies.
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rcurl
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response 214 of 306:
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Mar 2 01:34 UTC 2004 |
_Matchstick Men_ (DVD, 2003): a little flim-flam caper goes awry - or does
it? In any case, WE were the one's flim-flammed. I was tempted to watch
it again to see if I could catch the trick.
_The Endurance_ (DVD, 2000): The story of Sir Ernest Shackleton's
ill-fated 1914 expedition to Antarctic, which foundered in the Weddel Sea
ice pack, leading to a 635-day self-rescue marathon. The film is mostly a
narration of the photographs taken by the ship's photographer, with
supplemental current on-site views and partial reenactments. Shackleton's
27 crew members all survived. It is nearly unbelievable story of personal
courage and leadership.
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mcnally
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response 215 of 306:
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Mar 2 02:38 UTC 2004 |
I wonder if that's the same Shackleton-expedition film I saw in IMAX
format in Seattle a few years ago..
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bru
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response 216 of 306:
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Mar 2 03:06 UTC 2004 |
tell us all "why" it is anti-semetic.
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rational
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response 217 of 306:
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Mar 2 03:08 UTC 2004 |
Did you not notice how all the Jews had huge noses and wallets?
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rcurl
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response 218 of 306:
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Mar 2 06:50 UTC 2004 |
Besides that....it is anti-semitic because of the centuries of blame by
Christians of the Jews for the alleged crucifixion. You can't turn around
that centuries old tradition overnight - and I bet the thought is still
harbored by a lot of Christians, especially fundmentalists. Anti-semitic
acts are still frequent (burning of synagogues, graffitti on tombstones
and buildings, etc.).
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md
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response 219 of 306:
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Mar 2 12:33 UTC 2004 |
I've seen the swastika graffiti. There was an incident in my home town
once: a brand-new modernistic synogogue - an architectural masterpiece,
set in a beautiful wooded area - was covered with swastikas in the
night. Turned out to be a bunch of rich drunken frat boys, but I don't
doubt the Christians of Rane's colorful imagination - whipped up to a
vandalous frenzy by watching Mel Gibson's movie - are capable of it,
too.
"Frequent burning of synagogues" is another matter. I don't recall
hearing about synagogues burning down even once in a while, much
less "frequently." Anyway, I'm afraid the most likely perps in any
future such arson and vandalism, especially where I live, won't be
fundie Christians.
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remmers
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response 220 of 306:
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Mar 2 12:37 UTC 2004 |
Re #212, #216: Safire's column on "The Passion" can be found at
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/01/opinion/01SAFI.html?n=Top%2fOpinion%2fEdi
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ials%20and%20Op%2dEd%2fOp%2dEd%2fColumnists%2fWilliam%20Safire
(Sorry about the long URL.)
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rational
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response 221 of 306:
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Mar 2 12:55 UTC 2004 |
http://url.rexroof.com/, newb
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remmers
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response 222 of 306:
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Mar 2 13:19 UTC 2004 |
http://url.rexroof.com/515
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rational
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response 223 of 306:
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Mar 2 13:56 UTC 2004 |
Thanks!
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bru
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response 224 of 306:
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Mar 2 15:09 UTC 2004 |
In 1965's historic Second Vatican Council, during the papacy of Paul VI, the
church decided that while some Jewish leaders and their followers had pressed
for the death of Jesus, "still, what happened in his passion cannot be charged
against all Jews, without distinction, then alive, nor against the Jews of
today."
That was a sea change in the doctrinal interpretation of the Gospels, and the
beginning of major interfaith progress
William Safire
I don't kniow what planet Safire lives on, but my church never taught that
jews were responsible for the death of Christ. Of course I am not Catholic,
and we were taught the pope was full of hooey.
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