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Grex > Agora46 > #171: Drinking and Driving: When to begin? | |
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gelinas
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response 19 of 42:
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Aug 24 15:09 UTC 2003 |
The only excuse for a 'legal smoking age' is that we don't teach our children
to be responsible for themselves.
Come to think of it, that's the only excuse for a legal drinking age, too.
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russ
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response 20 of 42:
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Aug 24 20:24 UTC 2003 |
Parents leading by example. Hey, that would work great as
long as pickup-driving, beer-swilling, "good ol' boys"
weren't allowed to be parents.
Hmmm.....
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klg
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response 21 of 42:
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Aug 25 00:53 UTC 2003 |
Where is there established a legal age for smoking tobacco? (We know of
a legal age for the purchase of tobacco products.)
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jaklumen
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response 22 of 42:
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Aug 25 03:35 UTC 2003 |
resp:18 yes, not all parents are willing to lead by example,
unfortunately...
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goose
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response 23 of 42:
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Aug 25 18:18 UTC 2003 |
RE #21 In Michigan we're covered by Public Act 31 of 1915, the Youth Tobacco
Act. 722.642 Possessing or using tobacco products in public by person under
18; violation as misdemeanor; penalty; participation in health promotion and
risk reduction assessment program; costs; community service.
So it looks like a minor can smoke in the privacy of their home.
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tod
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response 24 of 42:
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Aug 25 18:28 UTC 2003 |
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drew
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response 25 of 42:
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Aug 26 00:07 UTC 2003 |
They had "community service" and "health awareness" concerning tobacco in
1915?
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goose
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response 26 of 42:
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Aug 26 14:00 UTC 2003 |
722.642 is from 1972...ammendments
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bru
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response 27 of 42:
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Aug 26 15:20 UTC 2003 |
The thing to do is pick one age and make it the age of majority.
If I can smoke at age x, I should also be able to drink, drive, vote, have
sex, and get any license.
That age should be 21, with the exception of those in the military. If you
are in the military, you should have access to all those vices.
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mynxcat
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response 28 of 42:
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Aug 26 16:41 UTC 2003 |
Where did people get the ages of 16, 18 and 21 anyways?
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rcurl
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response 29 of 42:
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Aug 26 17:11 UTC 2003 |
Compromise....
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other
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response 30 of 42:
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Sep 9 03:50 UTC 2003 |
Presumably from some combination of objective determination of "maturity"
and social status at those various ages, over the years. That would be
my guess. In other words, what Rane said.
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keesan
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response 31 of 42:
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Sep 14 15:52 UTC 2003 |
Most smokers start a few years before the legal age, unfortunately. Lowering
the legal age for buying tobacco would make it easier for more stupid kids
to start earlier. Probably the same for drinking. You can ask older kids
to buy for you but this is more complicated and probably reduces the frequency
of use or the number of users.
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tod
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response 32 of 42:
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Sep 14 17:27 UTC 2003 |
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rcurl
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response 33 of 42:
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Sep 14 18:20 UTC 2003 |
To the extent that it will be a greater burden on society if we don't
coddle them. The costs of human stupidity is also enormous - we don't
need to make it larger intentionally.
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gelinas
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response 34 of 42:
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Sep 14 20:01 UTC 2003 |
"Stupidity is a capital crime, with the sentence executed by Nature."
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tod
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response 35 of 42:
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Sep 15 06:23 UTC 2003 |
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rcurl
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response 36 of 42:
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Sep 15 16:14 UTC 2003 |
They are positively correlated.
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tod
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response 37 of 42:
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Sep 15 16:28 UTC 2003 |
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gull
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response 38 of 42:
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Sep 16 00:08 UTC 2003 |
I think people should be required to buckle up their kids, but once they
reach adulthood if they want to be stupid they can go unbelted.
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rcurl
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response 39 of 42:
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Sep 16 00:15 UTC 2003 |
I support the seatbelt law. It is hardly a real infringement of any civil
liberty and, in fact, is more like a part of the machinery of operating a
safe car. My reasons are not just to protect other drivers, but to keep
bodies out of the path of my car if I am among crashing vehicles. They
make a real mess.
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gelinas
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response 40 of 42:
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Sep 16 02:37 UTC 2003 |
Seatbelts also help to keep drivers behind the wheel, where they have a better
chance of maintaining control. This can be really useful in the last few
minutes, or seconds, before a crash.
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tod
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response 41 of 42:
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Sep 16 05:07 UTC 2003 |
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rcurl
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response 42 of 42:
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Sep 16 07:14 UTC 2003 |
They aren't called "brain buckets" for nothing.
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