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lumen
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response 185 of 254:
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Mar 1 23:54 UTC 1999 |
Pretty good :) We are still awaiting the opportunity in which we can
afford children.
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bookworm
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response 186 of 254:
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Mar 2 05:08 UTC 1999 |
Waiting with baited breath. Pardon the religionism, but I know the Lord
will provide us with an opportunity, perhaps sooner than we think.
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jazz
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response 187 of 254:
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Mar 2 16:00 UTC 1999 |
Don't go blaming Yod-Heh-Vahv-Heh if you get knocked up, now.
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gypsi
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response 188 of 254:
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Mar 2 18:07 UTC 1999 |
Julie - I'm sure any parent in this cf or any other cf will tell you
that you will NEVER be financially prepared for children. My mother
says that once you are blessed with a child, God will bless you with
the means to provide for it. =) I would concentrate on whether or
not you are *emotionally* prepared. There is a wonderful item in
the femme cf that Valerie started...it chronicles her entire journey
- from conception to birth, and it's very interesting.
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jazz
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response 189 of 254:
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Mar 2 19:21 UTC 1999 |
No, no, Diana sends little spiders down to instruct you in how to
prepare for childbirth, and Ahura Mazda blesses you with rays of sunlight so
that you're able to afford it!
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orinoco
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response 190 of 254:
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Mar 2 19:40 UTC 1999 |
Of course, I imagine the spiders' views on childbirth are a bit different from
those of us humans, so you might want to take 'em with a grain of salt.
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gypsi
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response 191 of 254:
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Mar 3 15:44 UTC 1999 |
Jazz - cute, but I was appealing to Julie's LDS beliefs... =)
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bookworm
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response 192 of 254:
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Mar 8 06:42 UTC 1999 |
That's okay. I've been sick this week and could use the laugh.
No, I understand all that about God providing for a child after it is
conceived and I believe it utterly, but Jon and I are in school right
now and I know that, if I had kids right at this moment, I would have to
quit school. Both of us have got loans hanging over our heads right at
the moment so, if I quit, at least one of those loans would start to
need paying off. Neither of us have lucrative jobs and,in this town,
are unlikely to find any....
<sigh>
Oh, well. It's not really a matter of How much money we have. It's a
matter of both of us being ready to become parents. Personally I think
I'm ready, although I occasionally have hugemongous doubts, but Jon
doesn't think he's ready and doesn't want to try to have kids while
we're in school. What can I do? I want kids more than anything, but I
think it's important that children have two well adjusted parents before
the children even become a part of the picture. Am I making any sense?
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jazz
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response 193 of 254:
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Mar 8 17:07 UTC 1999 |
Goes God then provide for the children of heathens, agnostics and
athiests? Does He then provide for all children? If so ... what is the
difference between God's protection and none?
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lumen
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response 194 of 254:
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Mar 8 17:36 UTC 1999 |
Why shouldn't He? The heathens, agnostics, and atheists may believe He
does not, but does that matter? The fact is that all people believe in
some higher power-- a source of life, be it personified or not. OMNI
magazine did an article several years ago on some findings that many
atheists did subscribe to some sort of higher power in times of need.
The heathen believe in the providence of children from a divine source,
in many cases, but not from the Judeo-Christian (Islamic, too, if you
will) God.
But please John, spare this topic from philosophical debate-- I'd just
prefer it to be dropped. It's a very touchy topic and I'll ask my wife
not to mention it because I'd rather not discuss it.
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jazz
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response 195 of 254:
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Mar 8 17:50 UTC 1999 |
I'm trying to get a handle on what you're talking about. If the
default is protection from God, then what's the alternative?
I'm familliar with the idea that, under certain circumstances (or,
according to some, under any circumstances) that fate works out in a way that
protects a person from the consequences of their actions, or acts in a way
that hints at an order behind things, but such a broad brush confuses me.
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bookworm
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response 196 of 254:
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Mar 8 22:34 UTC 1999 |
My father has this theory.
According to science Everything tends to fall apart rather than fall
together. He says that explains the existance of God (or some other
higher power).
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lumen
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response 197 of 254:
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Mar 8 22:36 UTC 1999 |
No, John, you're reading more into this than needs be. If you'd like to
go out on this tangent, that's fine. I think the original point was
that some believe children are a divine blessing in themselves-- the joy
of having children-- not that the bestowal of children somehow gives
protection, or that if you believe in God, when He gives them to you,
they are protected. Please, let's just drop it-- now.
I told you it was a touchy subject, so take a hint.
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jazz
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response 198 of 254:
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Mar 8 23:31 UTC 1999 |
That tone of message is uncalled for. If you don't want something
discussed, then it shouldn't be posted publicly, in a forum designed for
discussion. If you do post something, then don't be surprised when people
do discuss it, and when their discussion causes tangents.
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i
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response 199 of 254:
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Mar 9 01:27 UTC 1999 |
Perhaps you could treat lumen to a triple-dip of politeness when he's
feeling down, jazz. The price wouldn't set you back too far.
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jazz
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response 200 of 254:
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Mar 9 17:32 UTC 1999 |
Fair 'nuff.
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brighn
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response 201 of 254:
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Mar 10 00:16 UTC 1999 |
Synopsis:
Julie: I know when we have a child, God will provide.
John: *insert sacririligious and inflammatory (deliberate or not) joke*
Gypsi: Julie, any parent will tell you that you never think you'll have enough
money, but that God somehow always does provide.
John: *insert sacriligious and inflammatory (all right, now it's starting to
seem deliberate) joke*
Gypsi: Ha-ha, John, but you know Julie's LDS.
Julie: That's o.k., I thought it was funny. Anyway, yeah, I know God will
provide, but *long conversations about student financial problems*
John: *insert provocational post about God and heathen children, allowing
inferences to be made aboutthe christian/LDS God being indifferent to the
suffering of the non-believers, or about the Christians/LDS being stupid
because God will protect you whether you believe or not*
Jon (Lumen): It's the latter, John, but I really don't think this is the
place. could we not talk about this here, please?
John: *whine* But I'm just trying to understand! *more flamebaiting*
Jon: I mean it, John. Let's drop it.
John: why are you being rude? I'm just trying to understand, really! Julie
brought it up! Julie shouldn't bring up religion if she doesn't want
discussion!
My comments:
John (Jazz), first off, when somebody asks you nicely to drop a subject, it's
polite to drop a subject. when you don't, then they're more than entitled to
be rude in a future post. Secondly, saying "I know the Lord will provide"
isn't bringing up the subject anymore than "Goddess bless" is. Its a statement
of personal belief. It's not an invitation to have a theological debate.
I don't know whether you have personal baggage against LDS or against
christianity in general (or organized religion, for that matter), or if you
were just in the mood to have a philosophical/theological debate (which is
a noble and fine thing in and of itself, let's go somewhere and have it, I'd
love to), but sometimes you can be a major schmuck.
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jazz
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response 202 of 254:
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Mar 10 18:25 UTC 1999 |
Synopsizing someone as "*whine*" is flame-bait in itself, ne'?
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lumen
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response 203 of 254:
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Mar 10 18:54 UTC 1999 |
*sigh*
Please just take it at face value, John. We didn't mean to push any
buttons.
btw, I was very surprised Julie decided to mention kids at all. I told
her quite firmly I didn't want that publicly discussed right now,
so..anyway, what's done is done.
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brighn
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response 204 of 254:
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Mar 10 20:49 UTC 1999 |
No, John, it's outright flaming. =}
So I flamed. That's irrelevant to whether or not I can justifiably comment
on your flaming and flame-baiting. (Your implication to the contrary being
a classic fallacy ad hominem.) I'm a schmuck sometimes too. =}
Now... Lumen, speaking of pushing buttons, you just pushed one of mine. Just
because you told Julie not to discuss something, that means she's not supposed
to discuss it? Exsqueeze me? Baking powder? Is that a ring on her finger, or
a shackle and a gag?
But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't mean that
in the way I interpreted it, since I'm willing to acknowledge that I have
triggers and baggage independent of this BBS. ;}
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lumen
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response 205 of 254:
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Mar 10 22:11 UTC 1999 |
Whoops, I was afraid I hadn't clarified things. We want to have kids,
but the time isn't right at this point in time. I would have paid the
matter little importance except that it sparked another discussion that
I didn't want to get into, and felt was unwarranted. What I meant was I
told Julie after John's post was made that this was a matter I wasn't
comfortable discussing in public, since I know that it is very painful
for us right now.
Julie is still much more trusting than I and is still getting hurt. I
have done the same, so what I meant to say was I told her once again to
be careful what she shares, because, speaking of triggers and baggage
aside from the conference, as Paul put it, we have plenty ourselves.
Please excuse me if I speak rashly; things are very difficult now and
will be for quite a while.
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bookworm
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response 206 of 254:
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Mar 11 07:47 UTC 1999 |
Does anybody have any idea how often it's snowed over here?
Do you realize that, if it didn't melt during the course of the day,
we'd probably have about a foot, maybe two.
How 'bout you guys? I hear you are still waiting for the first penguin
of spring to waddle through town :)
(PS. Yes, I'm deliberately changing the subject. Somebody take me up
on it.)
(PPS. Thanks for standing up for me, Paul, Jon. Your efforts are
greatly appreciated)
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gypsi
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response 207 of 254:
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Mar 11 15:17 UTC 1999 |
I love penguins.
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orinoco
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response 208 of 254:
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Mar 11 20:24 UTC 1999 |
An appropriate confession for the coming-out-stories item. :)
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bookworm
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response 209 of 254:
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Mar 11 22:38 UTC 1999 |
Yeah. Perfect.
I like buttermilk.
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