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rcurl
response 182 of 191: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 20:12 UTC 2003

What myxcat says in #180 was the substance of my #163 - but she has
restated it more succinctly. 8^}

mynxcat
response 183 of 191: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 20:19 UTC 2003

Sometimes the simpler the words, the better it is comprehended ;) I haven't
been keeping up with this item,really, till maybe about 5 responses ago.
tod
response 184 of 191: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 20:30 UTC 2003

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drew
response 185 of 191: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 21:03 UTC 2003

I'll second the idea of leaving marital status entirely out of it and letting
employees put a specified number of people of their choice on the policy,
depending on what the company decides to offer and|or what the union manages
to negotiate.
jep
response 186 of 191: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 21:10 UTC 2003

I came into the discussion about the gay couple, beginning with 
resp:121, late because I was out of town last week.  It seemed to me 
that some were objecting that the customs officer shouldn't have 
prevented the couple from entering the country because it's wrong US 
law doesn't recognize gay marriages.  I wonder if those who argued that 
way would also say that, if the law is changed, it's okay for the 
customs officer to refuse to obey the law, and keep gay couples out 
because he feels *that* law would be wrong?

I'm afraid I don't have any regard for foreign people who won't obey US 
law when they come to our country.  This is our country, and we'll dang 
well set whatever laws we want.  
mynxcat
response 187 of 191: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 21:19 UTC 2003

I think the question was if you're a national of another country, and that
country recognises you as a married couple, why should the US govt object to
let them in if they are entering the country as tourists? I can understand
if they were looking to become permanent residents or citizens or even stay
for an extended period of time to work, but telling them they can't enter the
country because their marriage isn't recognised in this country, never mind
that they are legally married in the country of their origin? I don't think
thje question of "obeying" the law comes up here. It's not like they're coming
here to get married. 
tod
response 188 of 191: Mark Unseen   Sep 23 21:23 UTC 2003

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jep
response 189 of 191: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 01:27 UTC 2003

I don't agree with banning the couple from the country.  That seems 
foolish to me.  It shouldn't be national policy.  My point is solely 
that it is not up to a foreigner to determine US policy.

If they came here to make a point, as it surely seems, then I don't 
think they had any business doing so.  I don't mind that they were 
sent home in that case.  I assume they could have just complied with 
the law and been admitted.

Now that they've been sent home, though, it's US citizen's business to 
change the law so the same doesn't happen again.  I'm not interested 
enough to become an activist on the issue myself, but if others here 
are moved to get involved, you can have my support.
gull
response 190 of 191: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 14:29 UTC 2003

I think there's exactly zero chance of changing that law under the
current administration.  In fact it wouldn't surprise me to see it
toughened.
rcurl
response 191 of 191: Mark Unseen   Sep 24 16:20 UTC 2003

Not if the Supreme Court voids it.
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