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cross
response 17 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 18:12 UTC 2004

And the garage conference, that was a real loss.
mta
response 18 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 19:06 UTC 2004

Re resp:11:  I think the reason she was burned out is pretty 
self-evident.  

Still, it is sad.  The end of an era.
richard
response 19 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 19:29 UTC 2004

I think valerie may be overreacting to that parody item on mnet.  that item
parodied her baby diary.  now maybe she thinks that every thing she ever
posted is ripe for parody so she has to remove them all.  If so, it seems like
a huge overreaction.  

Valerie is one of Grex's founders, and I'm sure Grex would be a different,
lesser, place today had it not had her participation as board and staff
member in its early years. I mean who's been a bigger fan and supporter of
Grex over the years than she has?

Which makes her leaving so publicly, so completely all the more sad and
mystifying.  When you leave that publicly, its like slapping this place in
the face. Like maybe she's hoping other people will follow her example and
abandon the Grex.  She could have left quietly, not even told anyone, but
she didn't.  She left publicly.  She wanted people to know she was
leaving. That implies she's angry and has an agenda. Does she not like
what Grex has become?  Does she wish it was still just a local dialup bbs
for the Ann Arbor community?  

Or is Valerie now saying that she thinks Grex has failed in its purpose,
that Grex can no longer be what she wanted it to be?
aruba
response 20 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 19:42 UTC 2004

I doubt Grex would exist at all if it weren't for Valerie.  I know I
wouldn't be here.
gull
response 21 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 20:06 UTC 2004

Re resp:19: I don't know.  Personally, if Grex continues on the current 
path towards allowing users to remove other users' writings that they 
disagree with, I will have considered it a failure.
cross
response 22 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 20:23 UTC 2004

As will I.
jp2
response 23 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 21:01 UTC 2004

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davel
response 24 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 22:13 UTC 2004

What cmcgee said.  <SIGH>
willcome
response 25 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 22:28 UTC 2004

Re. 5:  Valerie's script IS DoSing the system, which has had absurdly high
load averages all day, in addition to being slow.  I don't understand why you
think Valerie should be allowed to attack the resources of a not-for-profit
corporation.
naftee
response 26 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 8 23:02 UTC 2004

M-net is older and more mature than GreX, which is clearly populated by
children.
willcome
response 27 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 00:43 UTC 2004

(and gay fags.)
jaklumen
response 28 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 02:49 UTC 2004

When you canuckleheads stop jacking off, let me know.

resp:16 I'm seeing the scribbling in the kitchen/cooking conferences.  
I would imagine the mass scribbling is making some past discussions 
look stilted and funny-- and anyone looking back (if they do) will 
never know what she said in those parts.  But I suppose she wished to 
make a complete departure, leaving nothing behind-- with as little 
trace as possible.
naftee
response 29 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 05:16 UTC 2004

Hey, that's an insult.  THAT"S A COLLECTIVE INSULT. YOU HURT ME WITH THAT
CANADIAN INSULT.
bhelliom
response 30 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 15:42 UTC 2004

Give a rest folks.  You can discuss policy crap in the item for which it
was intended.

I personally do not think that scribbling everything that she has
written was a childish act.  If I were to leave under such
circumstances, I'd want everything I'd written to be erased.  She wants
a complete break from the syste, and I can't say I blame her.  I doubt
she would have done so if she thought the system would be crippled and
it isn't.  Beyond that I will make no assumptions.  Having said that...

Have some class people, and leave her alone.  She's gone, and she can't
answer for herself.  Speculating about her motives is pointless.
mynxcat
response 31 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 15:54 UTC 2004

I can see why she would erase all her posts.
other
response 32 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 16:27 UTC 2004

Personally, I'd rather just erase all the posts of certain other 
users...and then chain those other users into small holes in the 
ground for a few years.
bhelliom
response 33 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 9 17:33 UTC 2004

I'm seeing a scene from Monty Python now, Eric.  You meanie!
jaklumen
response 34 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 12:38 UTC 2004

resp:29 now you notice that I called you canucklehead.  Lots of people 
are canuckleheads.  One's a friend of mine.  Hmm, and I'm an ugly 
American apparently.  But you'll get over it =P
naftee
response 35 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 17:07 UTC 2004

Just like you'll get over being a GreXer.  Well, you might, but others won't.
tod
response 36 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 10 23:47 UTC 2004

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jaklumen
response 37 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 11 09:56 UTC 2004

resp:35 Oh well.
tsty
response 38 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 27 00:12 UTC 2004

having caught up, mostly, valerie stated her motives clearly
and concisely in #71.
  
she was no longer willing to leave open the opportunity for her
words to be abused here or elsewhere.
  
in her official capacity/capacities though, (and there are SOOOO many!)
valerie maintained her thoughts. very adult quality, that.
  
i will miss her.
albaugh
response 39 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 27 16:33 UTC 2004

It was done childishly, and it was done to grex, which was not where the
dreaded parody items were created.
styles
response 40 of 64: Mark Unseen   Jan 28 03:39 UTC 2004

yes, how dreaded. :(
sarahlee
response 41 of 64: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 14:58 UTC 2004

Valerie has every right to do whatever she likes with her own words.
When I joined Grex, there was nothing saying I would have to give up
rights to my words on Grex. In the absence of such a contract, everyone
here owns what they write. If the majority of Grexers object, then the
rules need to be officially changed to reflect that. 
In Valerie's place, I would have done the exact same thing.
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