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Grex > Coop > #342: Minutes from Grex BOD Meeting, February 23, 2013 | |
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response 17 of 31:
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Jul 29 02:36 UTC 2013 |
resp:15 You mean like the risk that hasn't been an issue for the last six
years?
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response 18 of 31:
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Jul 29 03:03 UTC 2013 |
resp:16 That too. I personally think it is more important that
users have something they are actually interested in using than
that we may, again *may*, eventually get a take-down notice for an
image file. Turning off a working service because of a microscopic
risk seems misguided to me.
I don't really understand all the excitement about images; Grex
never prohibited other types of media files (PDF, newer image and
video formats), or archive files (zip, tarballs, etc), or even
executable files (Windows .exe files and so on). Any of them could
be used to hold content that might be "an issue"; probably more so
than images. Should we prohibit users from hosting those, as well?
What happnens when people start hosting images wrapped in text
encodings? Should we ban text files? How about an HTML file with
embedded javascript that translates inline text-encoded data to an
image on the fly? Should we ban Javascript? How? What about use
of the HTML5 canvas widget? Should we ban HTML5? How about banning
HTML in general? If we're so worried about user content, why are
we allowing users to post content at all? Why not just turn off
user web sites?
I'm serious: if we want to ban image files, what's the point of
letting users use the web server? In 1993, that might have made
sense: images were big and expensive in terms of bandwidth, which
was something Grex didn't have a lot of. In 2013, providing a "web
server" that doesn't let users host image files is just weird.
How do we know that users won't move content between Grex and other
sites using FTP, or some file transfer thing running over SSH?
Maybe we just shouldn't let users log in to Grex at all.
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dtk
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response 19 of 31:
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Jul 29 03:27 UTC 2013 |
Resp:18 but haven't you noticed? The only functionality that counts is
the Agora forum; anything else is only if it doesn't bother the
half-dozen originals. When the Agora dies, they will take the server
offline. Or the half-dozen originals will croak it, and their heirs
will have no idea what Grex is, that it existed, or that they need to
pay the power and DSL for it, and it will be unceremoniously cut off.
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kentn
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response 20 of 31:
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Jul 29 13:11 UTC 2013 |
There is always the risk that people read this and decided to see how
far they can push the situation. "Watch me do this! Are you going
to do anything about?"
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mary
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response 21 of 31:
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Jul 29 13:58 UTC 2013 |
I suspect the chance of anyone posting illegal photos or video here is
small. Can the board be comfortable with a small risk? I'd be happy to
let them decide.
There may already be illegal material present here. I suspect there
aren't a lot of off-the-map sites where it's possible to anonymously
store and share images. And, really, if we allow such image content the
most we can say is we haven't become aware they are here, not that they
aren't here. And yes, common carrier laws give us some protection, and
our attorney will help us sort it all out. You know, the attorney we
have on retainer.
If we are vigilant, looking at files to check all is well, then we have
an obligation to continuously monitor such activity. Good luck with
that.
If we aren't checking then we are crossing fingers all is well. Good
luck with that too.
But we've had this discussion before. I'm good with whatever the board
decides but they really should come to a decision.
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response 22 of 31:
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Jul 29 14:20 UTC 2013 |
resp:20 Indeed. So what's your solution, given that they can push the
limits with *any* postable content?
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response 23 of 31:
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Jul 29 15:22 UTC 2013 |
resp:21 Umm, didn't you post classified information a few agora's back just
to prove a point?
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mary
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response 24 of 31:
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Jul 29 22:16 UTC 2013 |
Yep, that same point was made by the NYT's and scads of other sites
around the world. Good point, too.
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nharmon
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response 25 of 31:
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Jul 30 00:18 UTC 2013 |
resp:21 Mary doesn't think the VOLUNTEER BOARD MEMBERS deserve any
additional risk. But volunteer system administrators deserve as much risk
as is necessary for her to prove her "good point".
I don't know why Mary's opinion on anything involving Grex's governance
should even be considered.
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response 26 of 31:
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Jul 30 02:03 UTC 2013 |
resp:24 So it's okay when you do it, but we should ban images, and only
images, because at some point some one may post something that ... what again?
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mary
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response 27 of 31:
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Jul 30 02:50 UTC 2013 |
Resp:#25 That's the way it works. If you think my opinion is whacked you
say so and/or feel free to disregard my comments. I expect nothing else.
Resp:#26 There is a reason an all-text Playboy magazine has never caught
on. We disagree, Dan. That's okay. As I've said multiple times now -
the board should decide this one.
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response 28 of 31:
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Jul 30 03:21 UTC 2013 |
resp:27 It's called the Penthouse Forum.
By all means keep posting. You are the existence proof for how silly this
whole issue is.
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tsty
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response 29 of 31:
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Oct 27 23:03 UTC 2013 |
conference call started .. it works
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tsty
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response 30 of 31:
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Oct 27 23:04 UTC 2013 |
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tsty
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response 31 of 31:
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Oct 27 23:10 UTC 2013 |
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