response 169 of 174:

Dec 15 07:50 UTC 2000

This also gets into a "separate but equal" situation.  In order to justify
excluding black people from mainstream society, supposedly comperable
organizations were created, and they were told they could have their own
schools, their own colleges, their own bathrooms, and so forth.  However, the
"colored" facilities weren't equal to those for whites in any way, shape, or
form, and had some pretty devistating effects.  In addition to the facilities
being in vastly inferior physical condition, the segregation also served as
a constant demonstration to black people that they could not participate as
equals in mainstream society.  While black children had black role models who
could be leaders in the black society, those role models were not permitted
to become leaders, or even equal participants, in mainstream society, thus
conveying a similar message to black children.

In #162, albaugh seems to be advocating "separate but equal" treatment for
homosexuals.  As such, gay boys in the gay boy scouts could have their
"positive homosexual role models," who were leaders of their homosexual
organization.  The secondary message would be that those leaders, while
supposed to be the role models for the gay kids, were unfit to be leaders in
the mainstream boy scounts, and by extension in the rest of mainstream
society.  Once again, "separate but equal" would be anything but.

response 171 of 174:

Dec 15 16:09 UTC 2000

I don't know, I've been suspicious of hetrosexuals since that hetrosexual
president, Nixon, lied to the nation.  Then that hetrosexual former football
player, O.J. Simpson murdered his wife and got away with it due to some vast
hetrosexual conspiracy.  So then the hetrosexuals blew up that building in
Oklahoma, and burnt down the compound in Waco, and now all those hetrosexuals
in Florida have stolen the election!  Oh, I know there are some honest
hetrosexuals, but I'm not sure I can ever fully trust another hetrosexual.

So if you seriously try to imagine someone saying that, who do you visualize?
Someone gay, right?  The way the culture works right now, pretty much only
a gay person would be expected to be forming positive or negative stereotypes
about "hetrosexuals".  So if the BSA provides "positive heterosexual role
models" it must be doing so for gay scouts, proving that non-gays aren't all
that bad.  Does booting out the gay scoutmasters contribute to being "positive
heterosexual role models?"

As far as the mainstream population goes, there are no hetrosexuals.  Nixon
was a politician and a Republican.  Simpson was black, an athelete, a
millionaire.  Tim McVey was a rural, right-wing extremist hick.  Janet Reno
is a female, Democratic, government official.  Their (presumed) hetrosexuality
doesn't enter into the stereotypical pictures we draw.  So you can't really
be a "hetrosexual role model" of any flavor.

response 173 of 174:

Dec 15 17:23 UTC 2000

Free love, man!  ::)