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md
response 164 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 14:10 UTC 2000

Khatchaturian, from the ballet Gayaneh.
gelinas
response 165 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 17:11 UTC 2000

That's what you said, the first time.
dbratman
response 166 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 18 21:27 UTC 2000

If Pachelbel's Canon is so boring, why do so many people like it so 
much?  Surely they can't be so enamoured of being bored.

Seriously, I suggest a real difference in perception of the 
meaningfulness of music here.  Some people find it in simple chord 
progressions; others in complex structures.  The second type call the 
music the first type like "boring" or "dull" or "mindlessly simple".  
The first type call the music the second type like "Augenmusik" (if 
they know the term).
md
response 167 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 00:33 UTC 2000

(They don't know the term.)  

They like it not because they're enamored of being
bored, but because they have bad taste.  ;-)
orinoco
response 168 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 03:19 UTC 2000

Nothing wrong with simple music.  Every 12-bar blues ever written is the same
three chords, over and over again, song after song, album after album - but
they're three _really good_ chords.  I happen to like blues and dislike
Pachelbel, but I imagine that there are people who would say the same sort
of thing about Pachelbel's canon.  It is one of the standard chord
progressions, after all.
md
response 169 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 03:45 UTC 2000

If you're gonna play the same eight chords over 
and over, you'd better be a Bach passacaglia, or 
the last movement of Brahms' 4th symphony, or
something like that.  
mary
response 170 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 21:01 UTC 2000

Pachelbel's cannon is classical music light.  It tends to be
a bit over-played but it's a short enough piece, so no big deal.

It's time to get over it, Michael.
rcurl
response 171 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 19 21:42 UTC 2000

I like it, for what it is. I'm not much affected by pieces being repeated
- I just become more familiar but not jaded by them. I played Beethoven's
6th so much at one stage in my life that I could (and still can) identify
it from two bars - but I still like it.

md
response 172 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 13:01 UTC 2000

Re "time to get over it": you first.  ;-)

Re #171: I can identify most Beethoven symphonies
from hearing a bar or two, plus lots of other music
besides.  Repetition has nothing to do with it:
I hated Pachelbel's Canon the first time I heard it.

You realize I'm doing it mostly for effect now.
mary
response 173 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 16:03 UTC 2000

No.  Please, tell me it's not true. ;-)


md
response 174 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 20 22:22 UTC 2000

I bet that's what you said when you first set
eyes on the cello part of P's Canon.
mary
response 175 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 01:52 UTC 2000

There is a story there but I'm not going to give you any
more ammunition. ;-)

md
response 176 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 02:08 UTC 2000

I think you already told it -- that's what I
was referring to.
md
response 177 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 02:20 UTC 2000

[A search for the string pachelbel turns up
Oldmusic cf, Item #2, Response #175.  Check 
it out!]
mary
response 178 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 11:47 UTC 2000

Fuck.
md
response 179 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 21 12:31 UTC 2000

[Almost choked on my coffee.]

Really, I never thought you wouldn't remember
entering that.  At least now you know there's
someone who faithfully reads what you enter, and
remembers it later one.  That's pretty good, don't
you think?  Okay, well, I guess I'll stop typing now.
orinoco
response 180 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 22 03:39 UTC 2000

<nods>
Quit while you're ahead.
krj
response 181 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 21:47 UTC 2001

Good heavens, I was just re-reading this and saw resp:131.
Sindi, Morris Keesan is your brother?  I've known Morris distantly 
through science fiction fandom for 15, maybe 20 years.
keesan
response 182 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 3 01:52 UTC 2001

Yes, he has been an addict since his teens, and goes to conventions in Japan
and Australia.  You can see his baby photos at world.std.com/~keesan, some
of them probably with sci-fi fans in them.  I am related to all the Keesans
in this country - Morris, my uncle and his second wife, and their son and his
family.  Most searches for Keesan turn up something sci-fi, with photos.
Maybe you can persuade him to come to an Ann Arbor area convention.
Morris has about 1000 LPs but now more CDs, he says.
gelinas
response 183 of 194: Mark Unseen   Mar 28 05:54 UTC 2001

I don't often buy music, but I've decided I want some.  This looks like
as good a place as any to ask for recommendations. :)

I have some of this stuff on cassette, and some of it on 8-track, but I
want to get it on CD, for durability and because I don't have an 8-track
player and don't carry a cassette player around.  So the question is:
Which is the best CD version to get?  (And yes, I do know that "best"
is a meaningless term. ;)

I'm looking to get a copy of Wagner's Prelude and Liebstod from Tristan
und Isolde and the Ride of the Valkyries (and wouldn't object to Forest
Murmurs, but I may already have that on CD).  I'd like to get R. Strauss'
Also Sprach Zarathustra.  Bartok, but I don't know any specific pieces
(I'd like to try his microtone compostions).  Dvorak's New World Symphony.
Flight of the Bumblebee (I've liked that one since it was used as the theme
for television show; it may have been used on the radio show before that).
Sabre Dance.  And that's probably all I can get right now.

So which recordings do you like?
dbratman
response 184 of 194: Mark Unseen   Mar 28 22:06 UTC 2001

I don't think it makes that much difference.  Minute differences in 
quality between classical performances are mostly of interest to 
obsessive experts, and are likely to cause the casual listener 
unnecessary heart palpitations.

To save money, you may want to find a CD that has both the Prelude & 
Liebestod and the Ride of the Valkyries on the same disk.  That'll cut 
down the number of options right there.

And there's probably some "Russian Orchestral Showpieces" disk that has 
both Rimsky-Korsakov's Flight of the Bumblebee and Khachaturian's Sabre 
Dance on it.
keesan
response 185 of 194: Mark Unseen   Jan 30 17:07 UTC 2002

The diamond tip disappeared from my Empire stylus.  We have four Empire
cartridges so I moved over a stylus from a different number cartridge.  THe
second tip disappeared. (Jim tells me if I am going to clean the stylus with
a brush to do it from back to front so it won't knock off the diamond tip).
There are many different Empire styluses that apparently are each supposed
to take a different diamond stylus - why?  The more expensive cartridge wants
one for $50, the others for $25-35.  What happens if I put a cheaper stylus
in a more expensive cartridge?  (I already did that and it sounded a bit tinny
but that might be my speakers or the cartridge getting old - I think it
sounded tinny with the original stylus).

The various styluses are physically interchangeable, at least the Empire 1000
stylus fit just fine into the Empire 5000 XEI cartridge and the other two look
the same (1000E and 2000 and 2000E/III).  The 2000E/III is $50, the 2000 $25
and the 1000E $30 or $35.

We also have a few other turntables with different cartridges that look
like they would fit this turntable.  Should I pick one that is the same
weight, or must other things match?  We can adjust the tone arms for different
weights of cartridge.

I have a 1980 catalog of stereo components that sells separate tone arms as
well as cartridges and turntables, and implies that it is very important to
get a precise match, but Jim thinks that is not necessary since I cannot hear
the differences anyway and don't play things loudly.
keesan
response 186 of 194: Mark Unseen   Jan 30 21:23 UTC 2002

The E stands for elliptical, which is more expensive, so apparently I
accidentally robbed the stylus out of something appropriate (1000E to
5000EXI).
Radio Shack is a bit cheaper on the smaller selection that it carries, but
you have to be persistent.  The friendly guy there said all their Empire styli
were $13.  When I expressed surprise, he noticed that they had six different
Empire styli (2000 and 2000E but not the others).  Plus shipping.
keesan
response 187 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 2 21:19 UTC 2002

Another online needle place (needle express) said they had a 2000E stylus for
$50 (advertised online for $30) and an X66 for the 1000E or 5000XEI for $30.
I asked about the 2000 (which I think is not meant to take an elliptical
stylus) and he said to use the X66 (EX66?) and you might need to adjust the
angle at which it hits.  The 2000E stylus should work in the other three but
has a needle guard for the extra $20 (surely this cannot be the only
difference).  Empire cartridges and styluses stopped being made 8 years ago.

THe 1000E stylus is shorter than the 5000EXI.  Jim adjusted the cartridge
somehow so it did not rest on the record (while rebuilding it with a paperclip
because it has always been broken, the single/multiple adjustment never worked
so it is now always single).

According to who you believe, elliptical styluses sound better in new records
but worse in old ones and contact more surface so wear less;  contact less
surface so wear more;  wear out all the frequencies at an even rate, whereas
the conical diamonds contact only the top of the groove and play only the
lower frequencies so wear those out faster;  no difference in wear.  Conical
ones are better at ignoring scratches and more rugged.  Cartridges wear out
and should be changed every two years;  every two needles;  when they sound
bad or tinny;  when they lose one channel.  Diamond styluses should be changed
every 1000 hours or 2 years;  every 200-300 hours;  every 2500 hours;  when
they need it which you determine by taking it to the record store and having
them look under a microscope;  when they sound bad;  when they break or
disappear.  Everyone agrees that diamonds are not forever but wear a lot
longer than sapphire and even more longer than osmium.  I found one site that
still sells diamond needles with 3 sapphire needles as part of the set (which
presumably gives you a few weeks to mail order a replacement while rapidly
wearing out the temporary sapphires) - $3.50-$10 for BSR etc.  They did not
sell Empire, which is too new.  Nobody sells osmium but one record jacket
listed them.  Nobody even mentioned steel needles, or the fact that a record
can still be heard (probably with the quality of a steel needle) after the
diamond tip disappears.
keesan
response 188 of 194: Mark Unseen   Feb 5 15:59 UTC 2002

A former Kiwanis customer brought us her turntable and replacement; stylus
from Radio Shack, which she said would 'not play'. Jim took a look and they
had sold her a stylus with square peg to go into a cartridge with round hole.
Radio Shack told me she could return it despite warranty being up.
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