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Grex > Agora35 > #132: Bush had a DUI conviction and never admitted to it | |
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senna
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response 16 of 50:
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Nov 3 19:00 UTC 2000 |
Didn't you love Clinton?
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janc
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response 17 of 50:
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Nov 3 20:47 UTC 2000 |
I don't think this is a legitimate reason to vote against Bush. But there
are soooo many other legitimate reasons, I wouldn't object if some of the
people silly enough to support him are silly enough to dump him because of
this.
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aaron
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response 18 of 50:
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Nov 3 20:50 UTC 2000 |
If he calls his actions in his early 30's "mistakes from his youth," he
is being deliberately misleading in his statements. It's no better than
"I have never broken the drug laws of the United States."
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ric
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response 19 of 50:
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Nov 3 21:19 UTC 2000 |
And he LIED about those actions recently (a few months ago, he said at a press
conference that he had "never been arrested").. turns out he'd been arested
a number of times.
Where's his integrity, honesty, and character that makes him so much better
than Al Gore, supposedly?
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brighn
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response 20 of 50:
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Nov 3 21:37 UTC 2000 |
The word "arrest" had been defined in a legal briefing, and it was
sufficiently constrained to make it an honest statement.
(Well, that defense worked for Clinton...)
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ric
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response 21 of 50:
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Nov 3 22:13 UTC 2000 |
hahahahahahahahah
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carson
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response 22 of 50:
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Nov 4 00:04 UTC 2000 |
resp:14 (not to toot bru's horn, but what part of "youthful" did you miss
by trying to compare it to Clinton's *recent* indiscretions?
sure, Clinton's younger than you, but still...)
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scg
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response 23 of 50:
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Nov 4 00:21 UTC 2000 |
I must admit, I'm amused by this.
Certainly, having been arrested for drunk driving 24 years ago (before I as
born), should not in itself disqualify him from being President now. It's
certainly a sign of bad judgement, but I don't know anybody who hasn't done
something stupid at some point. I'd even find it hard to argue that having
been arrested for drunk driving and not having mentioned it would be an
automatic disqualifier. I can't imagine it's something he's very proud of.
However, this is a guy who spends his time talking about what a good, hard
working, morally upstanding, honest, compassionate (and don't forget modest)
leader he is, while blasting his opponent for various sins Bush doesn't seem
able to list. In that context, the drunk driving arrest and not telling
anybody about it, not to mention attempting to minimize it once it did come
out, speak volumes. Maybe it doesn't say as much as his bragging about being
compassionate and then smirking while talking about killing people, but it
still seems to say a lot.
I'm also wondering about what it says about his parenting style, and yes,
about his ability as a leader. This is a guy who says he couldn't talk about
a drunk driving arrest because he needed to protect his impressionable 18 year
old daughters. If you were a teenager deciding whether to drive drunk or not,
which of the following possible statements from a parent would do the most
to deter you:
"I tried driving while drunk once. It was stupid. I drove off the road and
got arrested. It's a bad idea."
or
"I used to drive drunk all the time, but nothing ever happened to me. Still,
it's an evil thing to do, so don't do it."
or
"I don't have any experience with this, because drunk driving is evil. If
you do it, bad things will happen to you."
I think I'd be a lot more convinced by the first statement, the one Bush said
he had to protect his daughters, and presumably anybody else who might look
to him for leadership, from. I assume he's probably saying he used something
like the third statement. It's perhaps not a bad statement if true, maybe
even as well as somebody for whom it was true could do in coming up with
something to say, but it doesn't seem nearly as convincing as letting them
learn from his experience. I really hope he didn't use some varient of
statement two with them.
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danr
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response 24 of 50:
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Nov 4 00:46 UTC 2000 |
I'm with the analyst this morning who said that it would be a shame for this to
distract attention from all of other Bush's shortcomings.
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bdh3
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response 25 of 50:
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Nov 4 07:11 UTC 2000 |
You all are finding reasons that prove what you already know you ain't
gonna do, vote on the issues.
Bush, when busted apparently cooperated, pleaded quilty, and paid a
fine. Gore when busted said "there is no controlling legal authority'.
Gore's son was kicked out of his alma mater for drug dealing - so much
for parenting...
Gore, about the same time as Bush's driving deal said homosexuality was
a sin on many occasions. Gore said he was the inspiration for the novel
and film _Love Story_ -denied by the author. Gore said he invented the
Internet - oh sure and he didn't but what grandiosity...Gore is running
'attack ads' on HMOs conveniently forgetting it was the clintonistas
abortive attempt at a 'national health care plan' that caused the
problem in the first place.
Its time for a change, after eight years with little if anything to
point at - the best Gore can come up with is 'inventing the Internet'-,
after eight years when the first thing that comes to mind is cigars
followed by saxaphones, the second is US troopers murdered overseas
because the clintonistas put domestic politics first - wanna look good
instead of actually accomplishing anything. (You bet I figure
Al-the-Pal is nothing more than the continuation of the clintonista
regime.)
Its time for Bush, who promises to do even more 'hands off', a 'governs
least' style, but do so more for the direct benefit of the individual
citizens of this republic.
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scott
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response 26 of 50:
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Nov 4 13:16 UTC 2000 |
Ouch, beedy is buying into the lies of the Bush campaign.
1. Gore *never* claimed to be the inspiration for "Love Story". Actually,
the author has said that Gore was indeed part of the inspiration.
Thought you were gonna vote on the issues, beedy.
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jerryr
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response 27 of 50:
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Nov 4 14:43 UTC 2000 |
i'd hardly call 30 years-old "youthfull"
it bothers me that anyone drives drunk, but i wouldn't hang the shrub for his
bust 24 years ago. i do agree, that he showed poor judgement in not
disclosing something that was public record and obfuscating about it when
asked directly about ever being arrested. but, then again, he's a politician
and none of them walk on water without benefit of it being frozen.
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md
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response 28 of 50:
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Nov 4 18:34 UTC 2000 |
[Pssst, jerryr, "obfuscate" means "darken, confuse, make obscure." If
you're looking for a synonym for "lie" that you can use every last
fuckin' time in the hope that people will think you're educated,
try "prevaricate."]
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raven
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response 29 of 50:
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Nov 4 19:56 UTC 2000 |
You can vote for one of two proven liars, or you can vote for the man with
no youthful or recent indiscretions or lies on his record, Nader, your
choice.
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scg
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response 30 of 50:
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Nov 4 20:29 UTC 2000 |
Woah, now you're arguing that Nader has never lied or done anything he
shouldn't have? Amazing.
I suspect the press just isn't paying as much attention to Nader.
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raven
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response 31 of 50:
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Nov 4 21:44 UTC 2000 |
Well the evidence of both Bush and Gore's dirty hands is out there,
I have seen no eviddence so far of similar misdeeds by Nader who is
known to live an almost monastic lifestyle in a small aprtment.
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polygon
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response 32 of 50:
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Nov 4 22:15 UTC 2000 |
Hmmm, I heard on CNN that the defense attorney who struck GWB's name
off the list of potential jurors later got appointed to the Texas
Supreme Court.
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mikep
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response 33 of 50:
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Nov 5 02:58 UTC 2000 |
How's this for "honesty" and "integrity:"
http://www.lcr.org/press/20001025GorePhelps.htm
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Gore, who was quoted by the Nashville Tennessean in 1984 saying
homosexuality is not "an acceptable alternative that society should
affirm" and said in his 1984 U.S. Senate race that he would not accept
money from gay rights organizations and that he opposed a "gay bill of
rights," reportedly sought the support of the Phelps family in his 1988
presidential campaign, and invited the Phelps' to the Clinton-Gore
inaugurations of January 1993 and January 1997.
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http://www.sierratimes.com/artt103000.htm
Gore would appear to be a man who will say ANYTHING if he thinks it
will gain him political power.
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brighn
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response 34 of 50:
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Nov 5 04:06 UTC 2000 |
while blasting his opponent for various sins Bush doesn't seem
able to list. ... > Steve, haven't you heard? Gore did hashish in Vietnam.
It must be true, I read it on Grex.
#33> Wow. The record will demonstrate that Gore was a friend of Phelps' before
Phelps started Godhatesfags.com... what a sin! Being acquainted with a bigot
years before he was a public bigot.
The Jews tried to bring Lieberman down because he made a remark about wanting
to meet with Farrakhan to talk things over. That didn't work, either.
Bring me a quote of Gore saying, "I've always been in favor of gay rights,"
or stop digging dirt up.
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gelinas
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response 35 of 50:
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Nov 5 04:16 UTC 2000 |
I don't think saying (and believing) that homosexuality is not "an
acceptable alternative that society should affirm" is a bar to supporting
"gay rights."
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jerryr
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response 36 of 50:
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Nov 5 13:28 UTC 2000 |
for the record: i use obfuscate because it conveys what i mean. duck, jive
and weave w/o telling outright lies.
*kiss*
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bru
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response 37 of 50:
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Nov 5 17:17 UTC 2000 |
Lets not forget that Gore is a slum lord who only fixed what was wrong with
his rental property after it made national news. I have also heard that there
is another potentially damaging case involving Gore. I have written to one
of the parties involved and will hope to hear from them before tuesday if
there is any truth to the rumor. If I hear one way or the other, I will let
you know.
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md
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response 38 of 50:
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Nov 5 17:21 UTC 2000 |
[Translation of #36: He doesn't know any better.]
There is a rumor making the rounds of the Muslim and Chaldean
communties that the Israelis intend to have Gore assasinated if he
becomes president so the US will have a Jewish, and presumably rabid
pro-Israel, president. This has been one weird election.
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other
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response 39 of 50:
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Nov 5 18:49 UTC 2000 |
a rumor no doubt started by partisan supporters of Bush...
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scg
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response 40 of 50:
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Nov 5 20:39 UTC 2000 |
re 37:
That was certainly the story told by Gore's tenants (who, in the
one press picture I saw of them were shown standing on their fron porch waving
their rifles around, and as such didn't strike me as all that "balanced").
Gore's answer was that he was a very hands off landlord, who hired a
management company to take care of his rental properties, and that the first
he had heard of the problems was when the tenants went to the press about it.
This strikes me as quite believable, given that I can't imagine the Vice
President of the US having much time to deal with being a landlord, and the
arrangement that a management company runs a property for a landlord is pretty
common. Gore then told the press and supposedly the tenants that he would
get the problems taken care of.
What happened next is where it got strange. The tenants went back to the
press, had their picture taken waving their guns around on the front porch,
and announced that the repair people Gore had sent had done a bad job.
Following that, somebody (I forget whether it was the Bush campaign or the
Republican Party) announced that they were helping the tenants move out of
Gore's house and into something better maintained. To make things stranger,
the new place was not in Carthage, Tennessee (where the Gore owned house was),
but in Lima, Ohio.
I've moved to get away from a bad landlord. It's certainly a reasonable thing
to do. I've also moved very long distances, including most recently last
summmer. However, moving to a different state just to get away from a bad
landlord seems very strange. I'm assuming there was some other motivation
for the move. Moving a long distance is expensive. When I wanted to move
from Michigan to California, the first step of the process was to find an
employer who would pay for the move, and still had to put down a fair amount
of my own money for things like the security deposit on my new place. Imagine
how much simpler it would have been if I could have just complained to the
press about my old landlord.
I think neither the Gore landlord story or the Bush drunk driving story is
all that significant compared to the other issues in the campaign. How the
candidates handled the stories may say more. In the case of Gore and his
tenants, Gore did at least appear to be trying to do something about the
situation. Maybe the repair people he sent didn't do a good job, but it
certainly would have been difficult to supervise them personally in the midst
of a Presidential campaign. Bush's handling of the drunk driving arrest
continues to bother me. Here's a guy who apparrently had a reputation for
driving drunk a lot in those days, and could presumably have killed somebody
had he not been lucky, saying that he paid a fine so it shouldn't be a big
deal.
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