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popcorn
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response 155 of 256:
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Feb 9 04:07 UTC 1995 |
Sure thing!
Hey, I don't think anybody on Grex does a "newbie roast". I don't know
what planet eld, orin, and moo are on. Grex is the kind of system where
(as long as you ignore Carson) you're more likely to find people
tumbling over one another to see who can be first to welcome new people to
the system. It's pretty cool.
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carson
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response 156 of 256:
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Feb 9 05:23 UTC 1995 |
Valerie, I take offense to that remark. I've often been of great
assistance, not to mention good demeanor, to several newusers, both past
and present. Granted, I'm not tripping over my feet trying to greet the
mob rushing through the door, but when I'm in the mood, I'm there for the
people who come in the dead of night. I'm nowhere near as nice as you are,
but that doesn't make me a villian.
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steve
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response 157 of 256:
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Feb 9 06:00 UTC 1995 |
Why should you, Carson? Your "newbie killer" wasn't exactly a reasonable
thing, and several new people I was helping on the system get used to
conferences noticed that.
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carson
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response 158 of 256:
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Feb 9 06:08 UTC 1995 |
gee, STeve, maybe "lady killer" would have been more apropos.
I had a couple of newusers send me mail about the name, mostly because they
were wondering if I really *didn't* like new users. The truth is that I
*do* like new users, and I know that I'm not always patient when they're
trying to learn their way around the system, i.e., I don't like the
*newness*. I admit it wasn't a terribly perfect name, but c'est la vie.
I wonder, STeve, if you did anything when you were younger that we
can hold you accountable to for the rest of your life.
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carson
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response 159 of 256:
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Feb 9 06:50 UTC 1995 |
to add to the above:
Last I checked, Grex was an open system such that I can voice the
views and opinions that I wish, as can others, right to disagree and
all that. Mostly, I'm disagreeing with Valerie because she didn't
say why people should ignore me, and I don't think she meant that
I should be in the standard twit filter. I think Valerie meant that
new users should, oh, maybe ignore the names I choose to match my
login ID, and maybe even ignore me when I'm ranting and raving or
being generally acrimonious. As it was, it sounded like Valerie
was suggesting I be ignored *just because*, and I took offense to
that. It's not like I'm whining and crying and asking staff to
remove her comments or make her take them back. Valerie is entitled
to her own opinion, and I respect her opinion, but I also recognize
my own right to defend, clarify, and assert myself. This is what
I've done.
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remmers
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response 160 of 256:
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Feb 9 12:12 UTC 1995 |
Re #153: I don't know what the heck kain is talking about. I do an
"annual newbie roast"? Sheesh! I think somebody's been pulling his
leg...
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sidhe
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response 161 of 256:
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Feb 9 16:47 UTC 1995 |
I can tell you that I've run accross people who were treated
poorly whenthey mentioned that they were new, here. I was not one of
them, but there are more than a few.
By the way, carson, I can understand your being miffed.. but
is there a chance that it was taken a little too personally? I'm sure
that Valerie didn't mean to imply that you are to be shunned out-
right.
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rcurl
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response 162 of 256:
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Feb 9 16:56 UTC 1995 |
I cannot recall ever seeing any new user being "treated poorly" here.
Could you cite conferences/items/responses with examples of this? All I
have ever seen is experienced users going to great lengths to welcome and
assist new users.
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andyv
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response 163 of 256:
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Feb 9 17:33 UTC 1995 |
"Newbie killer" was a strange thing I saw qutie a while back I think. Like
the suggestion to ignore it, I did. All I though it meant was "don't bug
me or I might bite today." We try to do that at home too but it isn't as easy
as here. If someone is grouchy at home, we try to spread the word before
someone gets bit ;-0 How do I change my by-line?
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rcurl
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response 164 of 256:
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Feb 9 17:47 UTC 1995 |
Perhaps many things entered in jest, but omitting a :) (which might
not be understood anyway), are misunderstood by new users. I cannot
imagine that "Newbie Killer" as a name would be taken as anything but
a jest - would it?
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kain
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response 165 of 256:
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Feb 9 20:39 UTC 1995 |
how do I get it started, and who's the other FW?
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remmers
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response 166 of 256:
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Feb 9 20:59 UTC 1995 |
Hmmm, that's right -- this is the conference proposals item, isn't it.
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carson
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response 167 of 256:
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Feb 9 23:52 UTC 1995 |
kain, I think it's already been created. To learn who the fairwitnesses
are, go to the conference and type:
display fw
at the Ok: prompt. YOu can start at any time, but I think a FW has to
enter an item before anyone else can. A good idea for getting people
to stop by would be to go to Agora's "Conferences on Grex" item and
mention your conference. It's probably also a good idea to send mail
to cfadm with a one-line description of your conference so that it
can be added to the "help conferences" listing.
...and, mostly out of curiousity, who was the remmers friend that
you were talking about? not that it matters or anything, but I
have my hunches.
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popcorn
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response 168 of 256:
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Feb 10 02:25 UTC 1995 |
Carson, I apologize profusely for #155. You were using the name "newbie
killer" for a while, which seemed to bother some of the newish people (eg.
in agora's "grex convention" item). When I saw the question about the
newbie roast, I started to say that Grex is extremely friendly to newbies,
but then I remembered "newbie killer" and felt I had to qualify my
statement. My statement was entirely a reaction to the name "newbie
killer"; I didn't mean to say that you're a bad person or not usually
helpful to new users -- you're usually *wonderful* about helping people
out!! Again, I apologize!!!!
Re 163: You can change your name for just one response by typing "pseudo"
instead of "respond". You can permanently change your name in a conference
by typing "set name".
Re 167: I send that information in an e-mail message to the fair witnesses
of all new conferences, but recently it seems like new fair witnesses don't
see the message or something. I am most puzzled about how to communicate
with them. Maybe I need to put a header on the message that says in
capital letters "here is important information about your new conference".
I dunno.
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nephi
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response 169 of 256:
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Feb 10 08:43 UTC 1995 |
(Gee, I saw mine... )
(Also, I have heard people describe vehemently how poorly they were treated
while here on Grex. I'm pretty sure it was in party, and probably by some
of the thirteen year-olds that frequent the place, as they have tended to
come off rather unfriendly towards me, as well. To be sure, though, Grex
is acquiring a rather nasty reputation for being mean over on m-net, at
least by those that frequent party there.)
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carson
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response 170 of 256:
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Feb 10 12:18 UTC 1995 |
I broke up a fight in party the other day...
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popcorn
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response 171 of 256:
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Feb 10 14:15 UTC 1995 |
Addendum to 168: Carson, my comment (the one that bothered you) was
also intended to be funny, though I guess it didn't come out that way.
I apologize again. :(
Party sure makes a bad first impression on people who find it before
they find the conferences....
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sidhe
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response 172 of 256:
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Feb 10 15:09 UTC 1995 |
That's precisely what I was referring to; party. Most newbies like
party, because you can come and go as you please, and the comments get
the "instant
gratification" effect via immediate responses. Also, it's far less daunting
than PicoSpan is, for a newbie. Unfortunately, we have acquired a lot of
"gnats" Down there lately..
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nephi
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response 173 of 256:
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Feb 10 19:57 UTC 1995 |
It seems really odd that PicoSpan comes off daunting. There are only really
about 5, or so commands that one has to remember to be able to use the
thing, and most of them are shown in the form of prompts!
(Then again, when I was a newuser here, I remember the conferences seeming
that way, as well.)
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sidhe
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response 174 of 256:
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Feb 10 20:25 UTC 1995 |
Precisely. Remeber back, and look through THOSE eyes..
I have yet to see every cf here.
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rcurl
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response 175 of 256:
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Feb 10 22:10 UTC 1995 |
I rather dislike Grex being judged by what is done in party. Grex is
a conferencing system, which runs party software also. If what occurs
there is sufficiently detrimental to Grex's reputation, there would be
a point in discussing discontinuing party. Perhaps a first step would be
to keep party goers aware of that possibility.
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ajax
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response 176 of 256:
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Feb 10 23:04 UTC 1995 |
Who's to say it isn't a party system, which runs conference software also? :)
I hear ya though. But I'd worry that a threat to partiers might backfire.
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mdw
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response 177 of 256:
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Feb 11 02:28 UTC 1995 |
I have not noticed the problems people here are describing in party.
Curiously, I have noticed people in party here commenting about how
people on m-net can be mean in party towards newcomers. And
occasionally people do show up in party who are not entirely civilized,
but it's very much the exception rather than the rule.
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steve
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response 178 of 256:
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Feb 11 03:31 UTC 1995 |
There are alrady people who've judged Grex by party. Someone
from the Ann Arbor Observer was one of them. I got a letter from her
about Grex saying that we seemed friendly enough but that a lot of
the people she was chatting with seemed somewhat childish.
I fully share Rane's dislike of this.
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gerund
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response 179 of 256:
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Feb 11 08:33 UTC 1995 |
# 175 bothers me, because while it's Rane's view of what Grex is it's not
everyone's view. If you don't like what you find in party then don't
go there. Most people can handle that.
As for people who have judged Grex by party that's like judging the
United States by a visit to New York City. It's not the
fault of partiers and those that enjoy party when someone judges Grex
by what they see in one particular area of Grex that they don't
happen to like.
Some of you seem to be worried about losing users users who are put
off by party. I think you have a bigger threat of losing users who
are put off by a confusing conferencing system. Picospan is
wonderful, and as much as I like it I know plenty of people
who have come to me complaining about how different it is from other
sites and how hard it is to become used to it. I would mention the
lag problem, but that seems to be pretty much under control
at least from my perspective.
Grex is going to be what the users make of it. No one rams party
down anyone's throat. If newusers aren't aware of the other
'attractions' of Grex outside of party then perhaps the individuals
who wish them to be made aware should do something about
it.
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