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dpc
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response 150 of 263:
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Jan 26 21:37 UTC 1998 |
(Looks like the yolk's on you! Muahahaha!)
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davel
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response 151 of 263:
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Jan 27 01:24 UTC 1998 |
(carson, you're whispering again)
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garima
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response 152 of 263:
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Jan 27 01:33 UTC 1998 |
Well, Hyperterminal is still not working - I typed AT, then ATDT7613000
and that's how it let me connect to grex.
And of course, the screen has turned to inverse video again....
Well, I'll try to set the time to 45 seconds to see if that helps.
Yeah, I should get something better than hyperterminal.
It's pretty sucky.
What do you use, Mike (mcnally)? What do people recommend anyway?
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kentn
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response 153 of 263:
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Jan 27 02:05 UTC 1998 |
I've had good luck with QVT/Term under Win95. I'm sure there are others
that'll work well also (actually I downloaded QVT/Net using Telemate, a
DOS comm program, and Z-modem).
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mcnally
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response 154 of 263:
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Jan 27 05:45 UTC 1998 |
I usually telnet in so I can web browse, read mail elsewhere, etc.,
while lagged.. On rare occasions I'll use Hyperterm because it's
there and I haven't had the courage to delete it yet (seems likee
about 1 in 3 times I delete or "uninstall" something from a Win 95
or NT system I wind up having to re-install the OS.)
QVT's not bad -- I use it for telnet. I really dislike the
bunch-of-applications-in-one version (must be my Unix upbringing
leading to a preference for small, single-purpose programs..)
and prefer the Term-only version.
I think kermit's probably my favorite intel-box term program
since it does everything I require and doesn't do a lot of the
crap I never use, but I haven't used kermit 95.. Remmers can
probably tell you more about that and whether they kept to the
same simplicity and excellent terminal emulation that made DOS
kermit such a joy...
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aruba
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response 155 of 263:
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Jan 27 06:39 UTC 1998 |
I'll give another vote for DOS Kermit.
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remmers
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response 156 of 263:
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Jan 27 11:26 UTC 1998 |
In Kermit 95 they kept the same simplicity and excellent terminal
emulation that made DOS kermit such a joy. :)
Well, to a large extent anyway. Tends to be a bit unstable (I see
the message "this application has performed an illegal operation
and will be shut down" more than I like). Also, it's not free.
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scott
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response 157 of 263:
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Jan 27 12:11 UTC 1998 |
...But Kermit 95 is still on the cheap side, and comes with a snazzy "Dialer"
application that you enter all your settings into, and *it* spawns the
terminal window with all those settings. And it will do telnet, too.
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remmers
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response 158 of 263:
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Jan 27 14:14 UTC 1998 |
...and ftp as well.
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valerie
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response 159 of 263:
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Jan 27 16:57 UTC 1998 |
This response has been erased.
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mcnally
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response 160 of 263:
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Jan 27 17:32 UTC 1998 |
I wonder if it'd make sense to put, say, the make command in a
directory that was not in people's default paths. That'd stop
most of the more clueless users who just want to come here and
compile stuff.. It'd be a minor inconvenience to those who do
legitimate programming on Grex but simple enough for users to
take care of if they know where to find it.
The best way to get rid of such pests, in my experience, is not
to enact draconian measures that make it absolutely impossible
to abuse the system but to make it inconvenient enough for the
unsophisticated majority to convince them to take their little
toys elsewhere..
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omni
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response 161 of 263:
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Jan 27 18:19 UTC 1998 |
Valerie, thanks for the explanation. I would also be interested in a
copy of MS-DOS Kermit. Would you please upload it so I can download it
or tell me how to get a disk from you. (I do have a 386 these days that
I am doing evil experiments on)
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senna
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response 162 of 263:
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Jan 27 23:58 UTC 1998 |
Do the warnings emphasize the fact that eggdrop is technically impossible to
run, or do they just say that you can't run it? I'd imagine that if it didn't
emphasize the technical aspect, people might think that it would fall under
a request that isn't actually technically backed up. Just a thought.
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davel
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response 163 of 263:
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Jan 28 01:39 UTC 1998 |
Hiding make might inconvenience all kinds of ordinary users, and wouldn't stop
people from wasting huge amounts of bandwidth ftping eggdrop in.
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orinoco
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response 164 of 263:
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Jan 28 02:59 UTC 1998 |
(Would replacing 'make' with 'ftp' in mcnally's suggestion improve things?)
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mcnally
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response 165 of 263:
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Jan 28 03:22 UTC 1998 |
I doubt it -- my understanding is that guest users would be unable to
use the ftp command on grex to fetch eggdrop (or anything else..) but
that doesn't stop them from getting such programs to grex by mailing
them to themselves, uploading, or ftp'ing in from another host (I don't
know whether Grex's tcp restrictions prevent that -- the ones I know
wouldn't but maybe someone modified ftpd?)
re #3: most ordrinary users never use the "make" command and those who
have a reason to use it on Grex are generally fairly familiar with the
system, plus I'm not recommending making it really hard to find, just
out of the normal search paths.. You wouldn't stop anyone who knew what
they were doing but 95% of the problem comes from users who don't know
what they're doing and are just following directions on a package they
downloaded from someplace..
Anyway, I'm sure the Grex staff has put plenty of thought into how to
protect the system from obnoxious users and I won't presume to tell them
how to do their job..
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gibson
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response 166 of 263:
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Jan 28 04:28 UTC 1998 |
Last night it took me about 2 hours to get on. I would get a busy
signal or ringing for up to a minute. After the long rings i would get
garbage and then bumped off. When i finally got a short ring i got right on
but 10 minutes later got dropped.
Tonight i got a couple screns of garbage but then got thru, but i
keep getting the login prompt in the middle of reading. Twice i relogged and
got back but the third time it dumped me. I also got a help screnn in the
middle of reading and then was right back where i had been. Also it is
pretty slow.
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kentn
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response 167 of 263:
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Jan 28 05:18 UTC 1998 |
Re 154: Kermit's great, of course, and a definite must-have. QVT/Term is
just the terminal part of QVT/Net so you don't have to have a zillion
other apps along with it. Many choices out there for term programs...
try some and go with one you like.
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terry
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response 168 of 263:
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Jan 28 13:46 UTC 1998 |
Check out http://www.stroud.com for a great app called CRT.
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cmcgee
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response 169 of 263:
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Jan 29 09:06 UTC 1998 |
Tues and Wed Ihad problems like #166. I could not log on to Grex at all,
because my software would give me a NO CARRIER report about 90 seconds after
I got the "wait a few minutes for a connection" screen.
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valerie
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response 170 of 263:
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Jan 29 17:00 UTC 1998 |
This response has been erased.
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srw
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response 171 of 263:
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Jan 30 03:00 UTC 1998 |
HVCN appears to be hung. This affects Grex in some funny ways.
Grex keeps the graphics on its website and the backtalk buttons on HVCN.
Therefore those are not going to work until HVCN gets rebooted.
I expect that HVCN will come back some time friday morning.
Unlike Grex, it can only be worked on during working hours.
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gibson
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response 172 of 263:
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Jan 30 03:49 UTC 1998 |
Valerie, once i got kermit set up on my machine (dont know what i did
tho.) i added an icon in windows with the dialing script you gave in the path.
i start windows, hit my shortcut and kermit fires up and dials. You were right
that i might finally get control c to work. it makes thing a lot easier. Also,
if i remember right i got backspace back. ( it had disappeared after runnig
change.) i have been having to redial 1 or 2 times due to garbage after the
wait message, but i will try running kermit out of windows a few times and
see if that makes a differance. so far i'm happy with kermit. thanks.
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kentn
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response 173 of 263:
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Jan 30 05:17 UTC 1998 |
This evening (about 15 minutes ago) I logged in via telnet on ttytf, saw
the motd scroll by, was told I had no mail, and boom! was thrown back
to the login: prompt. Repeated the login and all was well. What's up
with that?
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mcnally
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response 174 of 263:
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Jan 30 07:24 UTC 1998 |
Apparently that sometimes happens to tcsh users and nobody knows why.
Happens to me about once a week..
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