response 146 of 217:

Feb 6 03:45 UTC 2003

Re #143: Black admissions are being concentrated in fewer colleges. 
Eventually that could result in colleges that are majority black and
colleges that are majority white, basically re-segregating the colleges
there.

response 148 of 217:

Feb 6 04:38 UTC 2003

Re #134.1:  In a zero-sum game like an admitted pool of students of
a certain size, discriminating for someone necessarily creates some
measure of discrimination against everyone not so favored.  The question
is what factors are legitimate when making decisions.

I find it very amusing that klg has rcurl on the run this time.  Where
he grasps the principles involved, he's mastered the material.

response 150 of 217:

Feb 6 14:20 UTC 2003

Re #147: Yes, they often do.  That's why, for example, Detroit suburbs
have mostly self-segregated.  I'm not sure that's necessarily good for
society, though.

response 152 of 217:

Feb 6 17:52 UTC 2003

From past experiences, it became obvious that the *consequences* of
"separate but equal" ideas were undesirable, in particular because
no "separate but equal" schools were ever created. 

response 154 of 217:

Feb 6 18:34 UTC 2003

Nope. 

response 156 of 217:

Feb 15 23:10 UTC 2003

Democrats riled by race and gender-biased bake sale
http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?ID=22913
=================
An affirmative action bake sale organized by the Bruin Republicans last week
has provoked impassioned responses from a top California Democrat and
political student groups on campus. 

The sale, held on Bruin Walk on Feb. 3, offered cookies at different prices
depending on the customer's race and gender. Black, Latina and American Indian
females were charged 25 cents for cookies that cost males of minority descent
50 cents. White females were charged $1, and white males and all Asian
Americans were charged $2. 

Students selling the cookies were assigned name tags portraying them as "Uncle
Tom," "The White Oppressor" and "Self-Hating Hispanic Race Traitor." 

Chairman of the California Democratic Party Art Torres voiced his disapproval
in a Monday press release. 

"I am deeply saddened and disheartened at the activities of the Bruin
Republicans," he said. 

Torres, a former California state senator, believes UCLA Republicans have been
"emboldened" by the recent race-sensitive remarks by various Republican
leaders, specifically citing Trent Lott's, R-Miss., comments and Congressman
Howard Coble's, R-N.C., praise of internment camps for Japanese Americans
during World War II. 

"It is a shame that Republicans at UCLA have chosen to mimic the extreme views
of their Republican leaders," Torres said. 

Andrew Jones, president of the Bruin Republicans and a former Daily Bruin
Viewpoint columnist, resents the chairman's association of his student group
with national Republican controversies. 

"This is just Torres being a bully. He doesn't know us. We have never stood
behind Trent Lott," Jones said. 

The intent of the sale, Jones said, was to "bring the issue (of affirmative
action) down to everyday terms. We wanted to show how affirmative action is
racial division, not racial reconciliation." 

As for the name tags of the vendors, Jones said many people would look at a
black or Latino student taking part in a Bruin Republicans anti-affirmative
action sale and either think to themselves or say out loud that the student
is a traitor to his race. Therefore, the Bruin Republicans decided to "turn
it on its head" and use the names themselves, before passers-by had a chance.


Jones asserted his objective was to incite discourse on the issue, not to
provoke anger. 

"We want people to have an opinion, one way or another," he added. 

Though the Bruin Democrats did not protest the event or respond to it
publicly, president Kristina Meshelski, a former Daily Bruin contributor, felt
the sale served to confuse students. 

"They're focusing only on how it can hurt. A diverse student body is something
we should strive for, and affirmative action can help," she said. 

Kevin Acebo, a press aide for Torres, called the bake sale a clear example
of "race-bating." 

Juan Carlos-Orellana, president of the Democratic Law Students Association,
responded to the event with similar indignation, referring to the bake sale
as an "insulting trivialization of the serious issue of race and gender
equality." 

Orellana sees the effort by the Bruin Republicans as detrimental to the
discussion of affirmative action. 

"By reducing the complexity of this issue into dollars and cents and cookies
they are working to stop discourse," he said. 
===========================

response 158 of 217:

Feb 16 05:44 UTC 2003

Haven't seen any news reports on it.  And thats MR. Mikey to you, bub.

response 160 of 217:

Feb 20 16:32 UTC 2003

http://www.michiganreview.com/

  Affirmative Action Bake Sale Hits UM Campus
  By James Justin Wilson 


  Posted on Monday, February 17, 2003 @ 5:50:54 pm 
      ***FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE*** 
      
     CONTACT: 
     James Wilson 
     Editor-in-Chief, The Michigan Review 
     (734) 644-7049 
     mrev@umich.edu 
     www.michiganreview.com 
      
     Affirmative Action Bake Sale Hits UM Campus 
      
     Ann Arbor, MI 2/17/03 
      
     Today, as University of Michigan President Mary Sue Colman 
addressed the American Council on Education to defend the University's 
admissions policies, the staff of The Michigan Review held an affirmative 
action bake sale to illustrate the injustice inheret in the University's 
policies. This sale featured muffins and bagels priced at $1.00 for white
students (including Asians and Middle Easterners) and $0.80 for 
underrepresented minorities (including African-Americans, Hispanics 
and Native Americans). The prices reflected the admissions point system 
used by the University. 
      
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http://www.michigandaily.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2003/02/18/3e51d27e2b3e2

   Race-conscious bake sale stirs controversy

   By Elizabeth Anderson, Daily Staff Reporter
   February 18, 2003

   In an attempt to make the University's
   race-conscious admissions policies more tangible to
   students, staff members of The Michigan Review
   held an "Affirmative Action Bake Sale" yesterday.

   The purpose of the bake sale was to exemplify the
   University's 150 point-based system admissions
   process in another setting, Michigan Review Editor
   in Chief James and LSA senior Justin Wilson said.
   The University awards 20 out of a possible 150
   points to underrepresented minority students.

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response 162 of 217:

Feb 20 17:21 UTC 2003

Actually, the price should be the same for all UM students, since they 
all got into the UM...

response 164 of 217:

Feb 20 17:34 UTC 2003

Too bad they missed the Martin Luther King day sale.  The same price 
for everybody.

response 166 of 217:

Feb 20 18:07 UTC 2003

(Because they knead the dough?)

response 168 of 217:

Feb 22 23:56 UTC 2003

Don't forget that the Provost can give people twice the racial minority
discount at will.  "Hey, dude, the Provost said I can have these for 50
cents!"

response 170 of 217:

Feb 24 13:05 UTC 2003

(Actually, the Provost can give the same amount.  My bad.)