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Grex > Agora35 > #21: An item in which Grex's staff crosses the line ... | |
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scott
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response 139 of 163:
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Sep 28 00:34 UTC 2000 |
Guests can always try to convince a member to champion their cause... I can't
recall any specifics, but it's happened at least once in my memory.
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gull
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response 140 of 163:
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Sep 28 01:47 UTC 2000 |
I don't think most people look at someone's membership status before deciding
how to treat them, so I suspect guests that stick around for very long get
about the same treatment as members.
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other
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response 141 of 163:
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Sep 28 02:32 UTC 2000 |
I'm really annoyed at having to read this crap -- which I do because I feel
it is my responsibility as board chair to follow these discussions. Willard
doesn't have a legal, moral or social leg to stand on in this issue, and in
my opinion, anyone who thinks he does hasn't been paying attention. I am also
tentatively of the opinion that parties supporting willard in his claims are
merely stirring up the shit for their own entertainment. Well, if you are
entertained by shit, I suppose 20th century television marketing has a success
in you.
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mdw
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response 142 of 163:
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Sep 28 06:37 UTC 2000 |
I don't think there's any reason to be annoyed. This is an educational
process. There are things we do on grex that don't follow the
"conventional" wisdom. They deserve explaining - and it is a good and
healthy process for us to stop and ask ourselves "why" and "is this
really the best policy" every so often. Even if the answer is "yes"
it's still a chance for more people to learn the "why" behind things,
and helps to spread knowledge of what grex is all about. One of the
things we've always tried to do on grex is to have a low-overhead
minimalist style of bureaucracy on grex where in fact a fair amount of
"trust" is invested at a low level - this is very much the inverse of
what has been the historical tradition on m-net. So their surprise in
us should be no surprise to us.
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danr
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response 143 of 163:
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Sep 28 12:31 UTC 2000 |
I hardly think whining is the exclusive province of Grexers. MNetters seem to
do just as much whining, if you ask me.
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jazz
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response 144 of 163:
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Sep 28 14:37 UTC 2000 |
There's one painfully obvious way that GREX culture has M-net's beat,
in that the staff and board are both able to recognize those who are, as Eric
put it, "stirring up the shit for their own entertainment", and to treat their
contributions to the discussion with that in mind.
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brighn
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response 145 of 163:
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Sep 28 17:09 UTC 2000 |
Staff and board seem also to be able to distinguish between harmless
shitstirrers (like me) and harmful shitstirrers (like willard) and treat each
accordingly.
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gasman
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response 146 of 163:
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Sep 28 20:28 UTC 2000 |
Smallwood, get some fucking sense! I learned when i bashed larry kastenbalm's
campaign for state rep of michigan. I screwed up, but you my friend fry and
flub, have just screwed yourself over. I think you should go see the father,
and confess your sins for the next oh say 10000000 years. But wait, maybe
it was and impulse. Your punishment sould be: Go to YOUR ROOM AND THINK ABOUT
WHAT YOU DID JR.
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brighn
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response 147 of 163:
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Sep 28 21:29 UTC 2000 |
Fascinating, captain.
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jerryr
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response 148 of 163:
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Sep 29 00:15 UTC 2000 |
re: #146 why did you screw up when you bashed larry's campaign? what method
did you use to do the bashing?
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carson
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response 149 of 163:
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Sep 29 00:56 UTC 2000 |
(it's in an old Agora. one sec: I'll look it up for you.)
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carson
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response 150 of 163:
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Sep 29 04:29 UTC 2000 |
(ok. it had something to do with speaking inappropriately. FTR, all sides
said Mark was classy in apologizing, and seem to suggest he was merely a
victim of youthful indiscretion.)
(agora26. start with item 102, work your way back.)
(you're welcome, again.) ;)
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jerryr
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response 151 of 163:
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Sep 29 13:23 UTC 2000 |
gee, thanx carson. my very own question responder person. i'm underwhelmed.
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carson
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response 152 of 163:
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Sep 29 16:35 UTC 2000 |
(glad to be of service!)
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twinkie
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response 153 of 163:
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Sep 29 20:42 UTC 2000 |
re: 144 -- That's unfortunate in and of itself. As a matter of fact, I am not
interested in stirring up anything. I am interested in understanding how Grex
operates, because it is (apparently) vastly different from M-Net.
So, anyone treating my contributions to the discussion as nothing more than
merely stirring up shit, is not only missing the point, but missing the
opportunity to explain things to new users, and old users who never thought
to ask before.
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carson
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response 154 of 163:
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Sep 29 21:43 UTC 2000 |
(Kevin's feeling insecure at the moment. let's all give him a group hug.)
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scott
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response 155 of 163:
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Sep 29 22:55 UTC 2000 |
(Actually, it sounds like he might be trying to shed his M-Net affectation
and become normal. It's possible, and actually doesn't take that long)
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jerryr
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response 156 of 163:
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Sep 30 00:43 UTC 2000 |
heh. normal. heh.
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albaugh
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response 157 of 163:
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Sep 30 14:15 UTC 2000 |
Vive le difference!
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twinkie
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response 158 of 163:
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Sep 30 19:30 UTC 2000 |
re: 155 -- Perhaps if you'd drop the notion that all M-Netters are unwashed
heathens, it'd be easier to determine what is "normal" and what isn't.
For the record, I still think you probably enjoy granola more than the average
person who lives outside of Ann Arbor ;-)
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scott
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response 159 of 163:
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Sep 30 21:07 UTC 2000 |
Of course I know that not all M-Netters are unwashed heathen, but that's why
I used the word "affectation" to describe acting like the worst example of
the stereortype.
And for the record, I not only enjoy granola, I even bake my own. :)
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mcnally
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response 160 of 163:
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Sep 30 21:16 UTC 2000 |
I actually paid to see heathens last night (however, although I did not
examine them closely, they appeared to be recently washed..)
What was surprising to me was the eerily familiar "Ann Arbor" look of the
rest of the paying audience..
(the "heathens" in question were the Scandinavian folk band Hedningarna,
whose name is reputedly translatable as "Heathens")
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janc
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response 161 of 163:
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Oct 1 06:52 UTC 2000 |
I think Marcus did a good job of explaining why we don't have an
"acceptable use policy." It's also true that we've never felt any very
compelling need. There really haven't been all that many people
demanding an AUP.
M-Net does have one. See http://www.arbornet.org/rules_a.html
There are different lists of things not to do on Grex scattered around
here and there. For example, if you created your account with the
web-newuser, you saw this page, which has quite a few rules on it:
http://www.cyberspace.org/nu/welcome.html . I don't think it would do
any great harm to post a more complete list someplace. Trying to make
it absolutely complete, formal and binding would run into kinds of
problems Marcus talks about. But if you keep it somewhat loose ("a list
of some things not to do on Grex") it might be constructive.
So I kind of agree to Marcus up to a point. Over-formalizing these
things gets into all sorts of problems that Marcus describes. But
informal things (like the Grex staff notes on privacy) are still useful.
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anderyn
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response 162 of 163:
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Oct 1 17:36 UTC 2000 |
mcnally, so what did you think of hedningarna?! (and they told me it did mean
heathens when i got autographs after the sunday show in detroit)
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rcurl
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response 163 of 163:
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Oct 2 21:59 UTC 2000 |
No policy is every "complete, formal and binding" forever (or even,
necessarily, for a week.) The reason for *adopting* a policy by board
vote is that it doesn't change arbitrarily and capriciously, but it is
always just as easily changed as it was to adopt.
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