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tod
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response 136 of 163:
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Mar 9 01:08 UTC 2004 |
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other
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response 137 of 163:
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Mar 9 01:25 UTC 2004 |
If you want the blue ribbon removed, submit a proposal to that
effect for vote. Otherwise, it ain't gonna happen.
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salad
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response 138 of 163:
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Mar 9 02:19 UTC 2004 |
We should submit a memeberer proposal to remove Grex's underwear.
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cyklone
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response 139 of 163:
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Mar 9 02:30 UTC 2004 |
Re #135: You *say* you understand my argument. However your continued
focus on whether or not an author chooses to back up his/her text
demonstrates no understanding whatsoever of my point: Words have intrinsic
VALUE all by themself, and that value doesn't increase or decrease simply
because of an author's decision to save or not.
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anderyn
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response 140 of 163:
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Mar 9 02:40 UTC 2004 |
I don't think I believe that words have value in and of themselves. As an
editor, I change people's words all the time. As a writer, editors change my
words all the time. I see words as tools rather than anything set in stone.
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rational
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response 141 of 163:
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Mar 9 04:18 UTC 2004 |
Right, they're changing your words to make them less valuable.
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cyklone
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response 142 of 163:
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Mar 9 13:29 UTC 2004 |
Re #140: You have unwittingly described your problem in a nutshell. Your
*JOB* is to make value judgments about the words of others! Thus, you are
comfortable supporting censorship on grex. You can't see the difference
between words subject to editing and free and unedited speech. Maybe you
haven't noticed there are no editors on grex. Each person is responsible
for their own words (or at least was until the Valerie/jep fiasco).
And it is extremely presumptious of you to suggest words have no intinisic
value and imply that editors such as yourself add or create value. Shame
on you! My words certainly need no input/modification/censorship from the
likes of you.
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anderyn
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response 143 of 163:
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Mar 9 15:15 UTC 2004 |
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anderyn
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response 144 of 163:
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Mar 9 15:19 UTC 2004 |
The next time you read an unedited book and notice the problems, remember what
you've just said. *Everyone's* words can use a lookover for typos, mistaken
grammar, and the like. (Previous response scribbled for typo, in fact.)
Even Homer nods, sometimes, and can use a hand. As I said, words are tools.
They are not sacred.
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cyklone
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response 145 of 163:
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Mar 9 17:25 UTC 2004 |
Nice dodge, twila. The issue in grex has never been one of grammar or typos.
You are simply creating a red herring to justify your predilections to act
as an editor/censor on grex. And you again fall into that ignorant binary
either/or trap so many grexers fall for. Words can be sacred *AND* tools, so
stop trying make it one or the other.
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tod
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response 146 of 163:
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Mar 9 18:03 UTC 2004 |
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anderyn
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response 147 of 163:
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Mar 9 21:59 UTC 2004 |
Well, actually, words are tools for communicating. If they don't do that, then
they should be changed. If they don't do it effectively, they should be
changed. However, I'm not offering to edit Grex. Eeek! That would be a totally
thankless task. And I don't want to censor it. No, what I'd like is if people
were thoughtful and acted civilly and with respect to each other.
I have never written anything that couldn't have been improved by a careful
look-over and rewrite. I certainly don't do that for Grex. Grex is a much more
immediate and ephemeral creation. This is where I'm differing from you -- in
my definition of what kind of speech it is here. If it's for publication, then
one should be very careful and correct in order to ensure that it's as clear
and communicates everything that one wishes. If it's "speech", then it's
enough to write what one thinks at the time in a very immediate style. I don't
expect anyone to preserve and archive my speech. I suspect that this is the
very nub of where we differ. I don't see Grex as anything but a facilitator
for my "speech". It's not publishing per se. Once I've typed this and hit the
period, and it's been read and responded to, I don't care if it is erased in
a day, or two days, or a month, or whatever. I've had the effect I wished to
have at the time I wished to have it. Just as if I'd called you on the phone
and said these things.
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cyklone
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response 148 of 163:
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Mar 9 22:22 UTC 2004 |
Yeah, but just because you feel that way does not make your standard
correct. You admit that speech is involved and then you try to make
distinctions based on what you perceive to be different types of speech.
If you knew anything about free speech you would know it is exactly that
sort of parsing ("good" speech v "bad" speech/"effective" speech v
"ineffective" speech) that opens the door to censorship. It is the reason
free speech only works when it is absolute (except for one or two
well-defined exceptions like yelling "fire" in a crowded theater).
You need to recognize that true free speech cannot flourish when you make
the distinctions you are making. Until you can accept that fact you are
the poster girl for why grex sucks.
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salad
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response 149 of 163:
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Mar 9 23:41 UTC 2004 |
re 147 So would your "editing" of GreX include the killing of entire items
because of their content?
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tod
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response 150 of 163:
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Mar 10 00:16 UTC 2004 |
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anderyn
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response 151 of 163:
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Mar 10 01:09 UTC 2004 |
I don't believe you know what I voted (or if I voted). As for editing or
censoring Grex, nope. That's not what I'm saying at all.
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jp2
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response 152 of 163:
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Mar 10 01:28 UTC 2004 |
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tod
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response 153 of 163:
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Mar 10 01:34 UTC 2004 |
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cyklone
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response 154 of 163:
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Mar 10 02:36 UTC 2004 |
Typical. Apparently some grexers have no qualms about "editing" the speech
of others because they so often find themselves "editing" their own.
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anderyn
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response 155 of 163:
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Mar 10 03:23 UTC 2004 |
I can support something without voting for it or against it. I don't believe
I have said that I voted one way or another.
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salad
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response 156 of 163:
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Mar 10 03:35 UTC 2004 |
re 151 But surely you can see, that's just what happened with
the valerie and jep items!!
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polygon
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response 157 of 163:
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Mar 10 18:52 UTC 2004 |
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jiffer
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response 158 of 163:
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Apr 23 15:44 UTC 2004 |
Holy Focken' Shite! I think I have seen 3 year olds with more maturity
than salad, soup, rational, and jp2! They are words, it is a BBS, if
you are going to post here, think first. weinies.
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tod
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response 159 of 163:
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Apr 23 18:14 UTC 2004 |
Where's crouton when you need him!
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soup
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response 160 of 163:
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Apr 23 22:22 UTC 2004 |
Get that bread over here!
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