Grex Coop11 Conference Item 198

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eeyore

response 134 of 157:

Sep 11 23:27 UTC 2000

get it through your stupid heads...

NOBODY IS SUEING ANYBODY!  Get fucking over it already.  Whoever came up with
the idea should be shot, and the rest of you need to just shut the fuck up
about it.  Get your head out of your fucking asses and start thinking like
adults.  Shit happens.  You either deal with it or ignore it.  I've been (for
the most part) choosing to ignore it, with the major exception of this item.
And really, that's the only thing of the "M-net Invasion" that I've had a part
of.

And guess what: If you are pissed that a bunch of people from M-Net are here,
then you'd better face the reality that it was a bunch of people from M-Net
that started Grex in the first place.

carson

response 135 of 157:

Sep 11 23:35 UTC 2000

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willard

response 136 of 157:

Sep 12 00:12 UTC 2000

135 said...

,C /bbs/coop11 item 198 resp 135 rflg 3 date Sep 11 19:36:27 2000 user
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krj

response 137 of 157:

Sep 12 00:34 UTC 2000

Won't shooting someone result in more lawsuits?
 
I'm trying out Russ' twit filter scheme.  It's very...  tranquil.
I recommend it.

other

response 138 of 157:

Sep 12 03:36 UTC 2000

Go, Meg, Go!  (Don't forget to breathe... your digital cheeks are getting very
red.)

jmsaul

response 139 of 157:

Sep 12 03:37 UTC 2000

Re #134:  You know, if more Grexers were like you, I might actually hang
          around here occasionally.  I mean that.

eeyore

response 140 of 157:

Sep 12 04:07 UTC 2000

You *really DON'T* want to be around me when I loose my temper.  Ask anybody
that knows me.

And what you actually read in that was a very much pared down version from
what it started as.

scg

response 141 of 157:

Sep 12 07:53 UTC 2000

I don't think anybody who gets taken seriously around here is seriously
suggesting a lawsuit, restraining order, or any other legal measures.  Yes,
a few people are, but nobody in power is going to pay much attention to them
anyway.

With regard to the comments about being able to outlawyer Grex with a "high
level network engineer's salary," I wouldn't be so sure about that.  Even with
a pretty good sallary, a lawyer's time can be pretty expensive.  Grex has,
in the past, been able to get very good legal representation for free, from
lawyers who felt Grex was a good cause and wanted to support it, or that what
Grex was fighting for in the particular case was a good cause.  Grex has had
extremely good legal help both in dealing with its then landlord who kept
turning the power off, and in taking on the State of Michigan over Internet
censorship.  Where Grex is clearly in the right, it doesn't have trouble
getting what legal help it needs.  But Grex has no legal budget of its own,
and in this case suing those using Grex's "free speech forums" to say things
other Grexers find annoying is not very likely to be something any lawyer who
likes Grex's ideals is going to think is worth working on for free, so even
if a majority of the board or a majority of the membership were to decide such
a lawsuit was a good idea (which they won't), it wouldn't happen.

response 142 of 157:

Sep 12 11:49 UTC 2000

Hey, just a suggestion.  As long as you're there.

willard

response 143 of 157:

Sep 12 12:13 UTC 2000

#142:  I have an idea.  Why don't you go fuck yourself?

jp2

response 144 of 157:

Sep 12 14:46 UTC 2000

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response 145 of 157:

Sep 12 15:14 UTC 2000

Your hands are trembling, Jamie.

twinkie

response 146 of 157:

Sep 12 15:35 UTC 2000

re: 141 - I was operating more on the assumption that such pro bono lawyers
wouldn't be inclined to assist Grex in suing it's own users.

But I echo jp2's statement. It would probably be easier for the hypothetical
defendants to find free legal representation, in this situation.

jp2

response 147 of 157:

Sep 12 17:29 UTC 2000

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aaron

response 148 of 157:

Sep 12 20:47 UTC 2000

Thereby disproving the maxim, "No man is an island."

response 149 of 157:

Sep 14 16:00 UTC 2000

"A vandal is a vandal whether you are a virtual vandal putting graffiti 
on a web site or a real world vandal putting graffiti on a wall."

              -- Michigan Attorney General Jennifer Granholm



Do you think she ought to see what willard did to Summer Agora?  Just a 
thought.

willard

response 150 of 157:

Sep 14 16:45 UTC 2000

That's a great OOCQ, Michael.  WTG.

The vandals she is referring to were in violation of the intrusion
clause in Michigan's computer crimes act, having broken into places
they were not supposed to be, and altered documents and files they
were not supposed to alter.

response 151 of 157:

Sep 14 17:03 UTC 2000

That was a very well-worded and intelligent reply, Michael.

willard

response 152 of 157:

Sep 14 17:23 UTC 2000

That should've read "were allegedly in violation".

twinkie

response 153 of 157:

Sep 17 09:42 UTC 2000

re: 149 -- Why nor e-mail it to her?

miag-htu@ag.state.mi.us

Specifically, the HTU's mission encompasses the following areas:

*     Prosecute cases involving crimes committed through the use of, or
otherwise involving, computers, the Internet, or other high-technology means.
Examples include: fraud through the use the Internet, hacking and security
issues, unlawful sales of alcohol or other controlled substances or contraband
on the internet, child pornography distribution, pedophilia, predatory sexual
activity and/or harassment, and unlawful intimidation and threats through the
internet.

Good luck!

response 154 of 157:

Sep 17 12:42 UTC 2000

Maybe I'll just give her the web address so she can read it for 
herself.  Actually, I should give her mnet's address, too, so she can 
compare!  Is newuser fixed yet?

steve

response 155 of 157:

Sep 19 17:01 UTC 2000