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albaugh
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response 132 of 316:
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Jun 23 21:59 UTC 1999 |
Sorry if this is too late - it may in fact be moot:
Other plaintiffs in the suit include the American Civil Liberties Association
Is this in error, saying "association" instead of "union" (ACLU), or is there
in fact a difference between the two?
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remmers
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response 133 of 316:
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Jun 23 22:30 UTC 1999 |
I'm sure it should have been "Union".
The Supreme Court ruled 5-4 today that state governments cannot be sued
against their will in state courts by people seeking to enforce some
federal right.
The particular case at hand was a state court lawsuit by some state
probation officers in Maine seeking to enforce a federal labor law to
collect overtime pay from Maine.
Not being a lawyer, I don't know if this impacts the ACLU's suit or not.
But it is the case that the we, the ACLU, and others have filed suit in
a Michigan state court to overturn a Michigan statute on the grounds
that it violates our rights under the federal constitution.
What is the legal types' take on this?
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mary
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response 134 of 316:
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Jun 23 23:37 UTC 1999 |
I received calls today from Liz Cobb, at the Ann Arbor News, and
Santiago Espanzo, at The Detroit News. Both wanted more information
on our organization, and how Grex fit it with Cyberspace Communications.
The phone calls went well and Mr. Espanzo, especially, seemed familiar
with Internet conferencing systems.
I've incorporated the suggestions folks offered regarding the
question and answer document. Thanks for the feedback. I sent this
document off to Mr. Steinberg for his okay, and he answered "Looks great",
and offered no changes.
Thanks, Mark, for all your work on the press release and to seeing
that it got checked and "posted". Did you ever get to sleep last
night? ;-)
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i
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response 135 of 316:
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Jun 24 00:00 UTC 1999 |
How about radio stations? Michigan Radio (WUOM, etc.) mentioned the
ACLU's suit on this evening's news show. Public radio seems like a
natural media for something like this.
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aruba
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response 136 of 316:
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Jun 24 00:00 UTC 1999 |
Yes, I got to sleep. :) Oops about the ACLU. That's what I get for changing
things at the last moment. Hopefully the reporters will figure it out.
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aruba
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response 137 of 316:
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Jun 24 00:01 UTC 1999 |
Walter slipped in. WUOM sounds like a great idea. I'll get on it.
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hhsrat
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response 138 of 316:
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Jun 24 00:18 UTC 1999 |
You might want to send a copy to Ann Arbor's Cable Access TV Station,
they do a bi-weekly "newsmagazine" show, and are always looking for
"news"
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aruba
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response 139 of 316:
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Jun 24 00:51 UTC 1999 |
I sent it to Michigan Public Radio (WUOM), channel 2, channel 4, channel 7,
and channel 50. I'll try CATV.
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aruba
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response 140 of 316:
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Jun 24 01:22 UTC 1999 |
OK, I sent it to CTN (with attention to their FYI program), and to the
Associated Press's office in Detroit.
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scg
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response 141 of 316:
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Jun 24 04:42 UTC 1999 |
re 133:
This case was filed in Federal court, not State court. From your
explanation of the Supreme Court ruling, it sounds like that's what the
Supreme Court was saying to do.
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scg
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response 142 of 316:
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Jun 24 05:02 UTC 1999 |
The Detroit Free Press has an article that is disappointing, to say the least.
http://www.freep.com/news/mich/qweb24.htm
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aruba
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response 143 of 316:
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Jun 24 06:04 UTC 1999 |
I don't know, that could be worse. I don't know where he got that
"unsolicited" angle, though; there's nothing about that in the law.
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aruba
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response 144 of 316:
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Jun 24 07:42 UTC 1999 |
I HTMLized the press release; it's at
http://www.cyberspace.org/~aruba/grexpr.htm
My HTML is pretty primitive, so I just did the basics. I've asked the
webmasters to put a link to the press release on our home page, if they can
squeeze it in. I figure it's possible reporters might get our address from
the ACLU, and they might come to us and want the press release. I'll send
mail to the ACLU guys with the URL so they can refer to it if they want.
(I don't think we need to keep a link on our homepage for more than about a
week.)
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djf
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response 145 of 316:
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Jun 24 07:50 UTC 1999 |
There's an article regarding suit which just popped-up on the New York
Times website. This generally correlates to the article being in the
paper, though I'm not sure this is always the case. (So if you spend
$1 for the NYT tomorrow and it's not there, don't yell at me. :)
It's a pretty good article, with quotes from Michael Steinber and
Andrew Nickelhof from the ACLU and State Senator Hammerstroh.
It names and links to three of the plaintiffs: Art on the Net,
Dr. Klein, and the Michigan AIDS Partnership.
Here's the URL, but note that it requires free registration:
http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/06/cyber/articles/24michigan.html
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remmers
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response 146 of 316:
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Jun 24 11:39 UTC 1999 |
Re resp:141 - You're right, it was filed in Federal court, so the
Supreme Court decision most likely doesn't affect it.
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remmers
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response 147 of 316:
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Jun 24 12:54 UTC 1999 |
I sent mail to Michael Steinberg asking whether the Supreme Court
decision could have an impact on our case. He replied that it would not,
since we filed in Federal court alleging constitutional violations, and
we are not seeking damages.
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dpc
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response 148 of 316:
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Jun 24 15:33 UTC 1999 |
Nice work on getting out the press releases! No, the Supremes' decision
doesn't affect our case, if only because we are not suing the *state
itself*, but rather two state *employees*--Engler and Granholm.
One reason for doing it this way is to avoid the whole sovereign
immunity tangle.
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janc
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response 149 of 316:
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Jun 24 17:00 UTC 1999 |
I've set up a web page at
http://www.cyberspace.org/lawsuit/
which has links to various information about this lawsuit.
I don't know where to find the final copy of the declaration.
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janc
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response 150 of 316:
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Jun 24 17:02 UTC 1999 |
The only link to that page that I installed was from the page you reach
when you hit the "governance" link on our home page. I'm wondering if
we should have a direct link to it (at least temporarily) from our home
page.
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scott
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response 151 of 316:
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Jun 24 17:06 UTC 1999 |
The Ann Arbor News has a story:
http://aa.mlive.com/news/index.ssf?/news/stories/19990624netlawsue.frm
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remmers
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response 152 of 316:
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Jun 24 17:15 UTC 1999 |
Re resp:150 - Excellent page. There's currently no link to our declaration,
but I assume you intend to put one in.
I think a direct link from our home page would be appropriate.
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aruba
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response 153 of 316:
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Jun 24 17:39 UTC 1999 |
A link to Jan's page from the home page sounds better than one straight to the
press release. Good idea.
The declaration we submitted is in ~aruba/aclu/dec4.txt. However I just
got off the phone with Marshall Widick, and they've decided they would
like some changes made. In particular, they're going to take all the
stuff about how hard it is to ID people out of everyone's declarations,
and wait for the other side to bring that point up. He's going to call
Jan momentarily and go through the changes with him.
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other
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response 154 of 316:
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Jun 24 17:42 UTC 1999 |
surprisingly, the snooze article was written more evenhandedly, while the
freep article seemed clearly sensational.
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other
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response 155 of 316:
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Jun 24 17:44 UTC 1999 |
isn't the hardship required to ID users and the resulting loss of small
services which serve to guarantee freedom of expression somewhat central
to the case?
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albaugh
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response 156 of 316:
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Jun 24 19:08 UTC 1999 |
It would seem that the news agencies are identifying the other plaintiffs,
instead of "vanilla bbs" grex, and I can understand why, from the standpoint
of "newworthiness".
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