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mcnally
response 125 of 231: Mark Unseen   Apr 29 03:38 UTC 1998

  then he was criticized again, later, when it turned out he wanted to
  use it in *every* song..  :-)   I like the sound of the sitar but it
  doesn't work for everything..

  Having been raised on western music I find Indian music hard to
  appreciate -- I'm willing to believe that it has just as much depth
  and variety as the musical styles with which I am familiar but I just
  don't pick up on the right elements.  I have the same problem with other
  Asian musical traditions.  African and South American musical forms are
  much easier for me to appreciate, as they have introduced elements from,
  and contributed elements to, western music as I know it, but traditional
  Asian forms sound very alien to me, no matter how much I wish I could
  appreciate them.  
katie
response 126 of 231: Mark Unseen   Apr 29 04:20 UTC 1998

I imagine it`s just what one is used to or not, but when channel surfing
I have stopped at the Indian channel, wherein there is usually some
really cheesy video going on. The singing is shrill and whiny and extremely
annoying to my Western ears, and all the singers sound the same.
sironi
response 127 of 231: Mark Unseen   Apr 29 07:20 UTC 1998

Hello to everybody,
"who am I?" I'm a 23 years italian boy.
I love Beatles, Simon&Garfunkel, the last U2, dIRE sTRAITS, R.E.M.
and, obviously the fabolous
Pink Floyd :-)
luca_
funnie
response 128 of 231: Mark Unseen   Apr 29 12:06 UTC 1998

Hey! Sironi ! Welcome to the music world :)
Well, Mike and Katie. I would say it is just a matter of taste. 
And Mike, obviously you cant use Sitar for everything. 
I guess, had a single instrument been sufficient, we would not be
been having so many varities of them. It is as simple as that, Mike:)
Yeah. Mike. I also cant pick up everything that is western. I will
settle for those styles which I am comfy with.

And Katie, as for your observation of Indian music being whiny and 
shrill, I would say I differ on that opinion. It could be just that
you are exposed to a very limited part of it time and again. Original
Indian classical music is supposed to be soulful. It is in fact. I 
enjoy it as much as I do the Western pop. Probably, you are right when
you said its a matter of being used to a particular kinda music or not.
In India, Western music has had a very little influence on people till
recently. Anything western was synonymous with the elite. MTV, by hitting
the Indian shores, has definitely opened up the gates for cultural union
of east and west. Now even a person on the streets can identify himself
with the MTV culture. Katie, my mom too whines about the music that I
listen to just because she is not used to it. :) And I dont care as long
as I like listening to western music ( mom calls it noise :)
lumen
response 129 of 231: Mark Unseen   Apr 29 23:50 UTC 1998

No one has mentioned yet that the scale systems of non-Western countries are
very, very, different.  I'm sure African music forms are easy to digest
because we've been literally exposed to them for years.  The blues scale, for
example, comes from an African scale.  A lot of the merging of Western music
and African music through the crossroads of folk, blues, and classical styles
are what created jazz, rock n' roll, etc.  I'd say ditto on South American
styles.  For many years, it was shaped by the influence of the conquistadors.
The Peruvian/Bolivian charango, for example, is a ten-stringed native
instrument based on the Spanish guitar.  Granted, there are some elements that
remained untouched, but, the styles continue to mix (German accordion in
Mexican tejano {tex-mex} and banda music, from the immigration of Nazi
sympathizers-- importance of Spanish guitar in Mexico and South America, etc.,
etc., etc.)

I've seen just a smidgeon of Indian influence in some new Brit pop acts
(Indian-British musicians).  I'm sure it's late in coming, but the New Brits
seem a little more tolerant than earlier generations of foreign culture.

You have to remember, too, that Western music was based on the honing of only
two of the 12 modes in 12-tone system.  Those modes would be major and minor,
or Ionian and Aeolian.  We often hear Myxolidian in jazz and blues-based
music, but otherwise, that's all we usually hear.  Occasionally, some of us
music students will play pieces in the Dorian mode, but that's about it. 
These modes, also called the 'church modes,' were once used quite frequently
in music before the 17th century.

I am supposing other countries and cultures use modal systems quite freely,
and so their interpretation of mood in music can be quite different from
ours-- or perhaps different in shade, to use a visual correlation.

I'd explain modes and why we chose to move to major, minor, and the two
variations of minor, but I'd waste more time and move out of my capability
to explain in fully and effectively.
scott
response 130 of 231: Mark Unseen   Apr 30 13:17 UTC 1998

Best way to appreciate a foreign music is to learn to play one of the
instruments.  I'm working on shakuhachi, and leaning a lot about japanese
traditional music.
lumen
response 131 of 231: Mark Unseen   May 1 00:34 UTC 1998

I wouldn't doubt it.
shyam
response 132 of 231: Mark Unseen   May 6 08:28 UTC 1998

Heah u all funnie mike kattie sironi and scott....  hello
I am an indian and i like indian music very much....i sing too..
I like to sing slow songs... which are cool.... having some ragas...ups and
downs....  I apreciate the effort taken by funnie to brief you about indian
music .......
I like westen music.. too... but again i like slow songs...which has peace....
which are not having much noise.... such songs u can listen and keep on 
going with that....

again in india you can have traditional music...Here the Punjabi's do
bhangara..dance.... it sounds very nice..... The young guys and gals  
get mad with tunes of  deler mehandi.... and others.... they mix something
of pop too.....
lumen
response 133 of 231: Mark Unseen   May 6 23:04 UTC 1998

I wouldn't doubt it.  I remember reading a technobass tune was popular in
India a few years back.
shyam
response 134 of 231: Mark Unseen   May 7 08:13 UTC 1998

yep, lumen the pop is going to becomea a part of indian cinemas. 
In every movie ,therer will be atleast a pop song.. The pop is
like child who makes people happy.. who plays around
who dance run .. jump .... and ......
So mix of indian tune with pop makes a rght combination......
And one can enjoy such stuff.....

lumen
response 135 of 231: Mark Unseen   May 7 22:23 UTC 1998

So it would seem.  We've been discussing in other items how the explosion of
multimedia is rapidly changing the world's music.
shyam
response 136 of 231: Mark Unseen   May 8 07:53 UTC 1998

Multimedia .. as it means many ways to pass informatisound is one fo the way
tp have  communication.
It now become the part of music .... The people use computer.. and various
data files of
tunes and bits... and able to create new sound... So it is a miracle ....

They do sound mixing.. and get the result that make the tune similas to old
tune.. but with difference....difference in bits........which makes us
happy...
The human has always looked for the change.. And he looks out for something
chaneged world......
changed music...  and so on....
lumen
response 137 of 231: Mark Unseen   May 9 00:49 UTC 1998

Well, it's not just that technology is shaping music-- it's that many people
suddenly have access to hear more and more of the diversity of musical styles
throughout the world and throughout history.  Because musicians are exposed
to musical styles they might not have heard otherwise, they can implement
those other ideas in their music.
shyam
response 138 of 231: Mark Unseen   May 11 04:53 UTC 1998

yeah... you are right lien 
snowth
response 139 of 231: Mark Unseen   May 26 03:26 UTC 1998

Hey there... I think I'm back... *again*.  Can't promisse how long it will
last, or that I'll actually have anything interesting to contribute, but at
least I'm functioning in the real (well, kind of) world again. :/
sironi
response 140 of 231: Mark Unseen   May 26 06:43 UTC 1998

Hi snowth :-)
I think 'nobody home' as one of my favourite Pink Floyd song, with
Echoes, Time, Vera Lynn and so many others.

luca_
snowth
response 141 of 231: Mark Unseen   May 28 03:26 UTC 1998

decidedly 'nobody home' :)  (In fact, i think that's the lyrics that are
currently hiding in my .plan if anyone cares! :)
sironi
response 142 of 231: Mark Unseen   May 28 06:21 UTC 1998

Yes I read :-)
luca_

"the time is gone, the song is over, thougth i'd something more to say"
krj
response 143 of 231: Mark Unseen   Jun 3 03:57 UTC 1998

Leslie and I are back after our Big Trip.  (see  item:agora,116 )
Thanks to everyone for keeping things perking along while we 
were gone.
sironi
response 144 of 231: Mark Unseen   Jun 3 08:04 UTC 1998

Ken, what was sung in your wedding?
:-)
luca_
mziemba
response 145 of 231: Mark Unseen   Jun 6 13:49 UTC 1998

And, from what I understand, India's cinematic industry rivals Hollywood. 
mcnally
response 146 of 231: Mark Unseen   Jun 6 17:51 UTC 1998

  Actually, far surpasses it in the number of feature films produced
  each year.  Indian films enjoy pretty wide distribution throughout
  Asia, too..
lumen
response 147 of 231: Mark Unseen   Jun 7 07:19 UTC 1998

How come I haven't seen any of these movies, then, or heard about them?
snowth
response 148 of 231: Mark Unseen   Jun 7 18:56 UTC 1998

Because America's stuck up like that, and they won't release them for mass
audiences here. It's really annoying, I'll get 10 different pen pals from
across the world telling me about this great Indian film, but you can't find
it here *anywhere*
mcnally
response 149 of 231: Mark Unseen   Jun 7 21:27 UTC 1998

  Have you tried looking at a specialty video store?  Often Indian grocery
  stores will have a video rental section -- of course their selection is
  usually not very large and given the huge number of films that are produced
  your chances of finding a specific movie may be small..  

  The Indian movies I've seen have seemed very strange to me, accustomed
  as I am to Hollywood-style movies.  I suspect that may have a lot to do
  with their lack of distribution in this country, too, since at least some
  of the foremost films of many other countries make it into circulation here.
  (in recent years I can think of lots of movies from all of Europe, China,
  Japan, even a few from Iran and Viet Nam..  Except for the Apu movies,
  which were made years ago, I can only recall one Indian film which made
  it to theaters in Ann Arbor ("Bandit Queen"))
  
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