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richard
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response 125 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:03 UTC 2006 |
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cyklone
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response 126 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:04 UTC 2006 |
Lynne, you're slipping into emotion and further from logic. Your reference
to men and women having different costs is one example, since by your
previously stated rationale of states v. behavior you are comparing apples
and orange. Gender is a state. No one disputes that. You assert obesity is
also a state. Many dispute that. To mix the fruit metaphor further, now
you're just cherry-picking. FWIW, I have friends and acquaintences who are
fat or maybe even obese. What I posted on m-net applies here: I don't mind
fat people at all, as long as they can pull their weight. But they don't
get a free pass anymore than my alcoholic friends. I think you have failed
to make your case that obesity is state and not a result of behavior.
Certainly it is for some, and perhaps even you. But you haven't made a
convincing case that is true for even a bare majority of overweight or
obese people. And BTW, I don't oppose the anti-discrimination laws you
mentioned. My "carb tax" would apply to people of all weights.
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richard
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response 127 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:06 UTC 2006 |
scholar said:
"take up nicotine or cocaine for a few months to lose weight."
Actually studies have shown that many women take up smoking because they
believe it to aid in weight loss. Others will do cocaine or other hard
drugs for the same reason.
There are no studies that I've seen that actually say smoking cigarettes
causes weight loss.
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nharmon
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response 128 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:08 UTC 2006 |
I've never seen a fat crack addict.
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richard
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response 129 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:10 UTC 2006 |
re #127 however I guess if you are smoking cigs you aren't eating twinkies
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scholar
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response 130 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:21 UTC 2006 |
nicotine doesn't make you lose weight, but it alleviates hunger.
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richard
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response 131 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:22 UTC 2006 |
the current crystal meth epidemic is more of a problem among women than men,
because women are taking it as a way of suppressing appetite and increasing
metabolism. Taking it as a diet aide essentially.
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edina
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response 132 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:40 UTC 2006 |
I'm sorry - based on what?
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richard
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response 133 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:47 UTC 2006 |
edina when you had this surgery, did you worry that a smaller stomach and an
impaired ability to take in nutrients in the amounts you used to, might impact
the advisability of your one day having kids? I mean I guess gastric bypass
patients can still have kids, but doesnt it make it more difficult to feed
for two during pregnancy?
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rcurl
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response 134 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:49 UTC 2006 |
I believe that there is no argument whatsoever with the fact that if one
diets properly one will lose weight. So it is simply an unwillingness to diet
in order to lose weight that maintains obesity. That is certainly a matter
of behavior.
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edina
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response 135 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:49 UTC 2006 |
No, I didn't worry. It doesn't take that many more calories to sustain a
child when pregnant.
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edina
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response 136 of 378:
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Mar 7 21:50 UTC 2006 |
Rane slipped.
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tod
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response 137 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:04 UTC 2006 |
re #135
That's a whole other topic altogether...I've seen some chicks that double
their weight with a pregnancy and then never lose the weight afterward. Oh
man..that could be an entire conference in bbs for discussion.
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marcvh
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response 138 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:06 UTC 2006 |
A couple of my relatives have had the bypass surgery, but they are
apparently unable (or unwilling) to change their eating habits,
particularly with respect to drinking high-calorie beverages (mostly
milk, I think.) The upshot is that, for them, the surgery has not
been effective. Personally I think they might have had better luck
seeking treatment for their compulsive overeating disorder instead
of seeking surgery, but I guess that's easy to say when you're
talking about someone else.
#134 sounds like a "you are in a helicopter" response.
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richard
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response 139 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:10 UTC 2006 |
its also drinking alcoholic beverages. If you are going to drink a 12 pack
of beer or two bottles of wine a day, you may as well not have the surgery.
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tod
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response 140 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:11 UTC 2006 |
Know alot of fat winos?
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edina
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response 141 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:14 UTC 2006 |
Drinking alcohol I have pretty much given up 100%. I'll still have the
occasional glass of port (like once a year) or a sip of margarita. It's
turned me into a total "lightweight". Hah!
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scholar
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response 142 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:15 UTC 2006 |
:)
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marcvh
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response 143 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:17 UTC 2006 |
Re #140: Yes, I use M-Net.
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tod
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response 144 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:18 UTC 2006 |
<shoots coffee out nose>
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scholar
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response 145 of 378:
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Mar 7 22:20 UTC 2006 |
:(
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keesan
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response 146 of 378:
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Mar 7 23:02 UTC 2006 |
Re the cost per passenger of obesity - by 600 million passengers I presume
they mean not that 600 million different American flew in one year (there are
not that many Americans) but that a fraction of Americans made a total of 600
million flights, at an extra 45 cents per flight. For those who fly every
week, it could add to $25-50 depending whether they are counting one-way or
round-trip flights.
How would people feel if overweight people were given a smaller baggage
allowance, instead of 2 70 lb suitcases and 40 lb carryon or whatever it is
now? Subtract from your baggage allowance the difference between your current
weight and your ideal weight, with a correction for BMI since some people are
more muscular and not fat. Think how much fun it would be to check in
everyone and do BMI measurements on them if they had luggage!
Someone (Rane?) claimed that fat people were simply unwilling to diet. Rane,
have you ever dieted to lose weight? Dieting makes you hungry, I presume,
and maybe short-tempered, and unhappy.
Depression and weight gain can both be caused by hypothyroidism. A friend
of mine was just diagnosed after 18 years of symptoms (by a naturopath - she
can't keep a job long enough to make enough money for health care).
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gull
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response 147 of 378:
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Mar 7 23:17 UTC 2006 |
Re resp:21: I think what this article is saying, and what you're
getting at, is that it's not being "fat" that's bad for you, it's being
out of shape, and that the two aren't the same thing. But this is a
hard sell for Americans, who want visible results without effort --
they want to be thin but they don't want to have to do what it would
take to be physically fit.
Re resp:44: The information on being underweight is interesting. I've
been about 40 pounds underweight for nearly my entire adult life so far
according to BMI charts. Over the last few years I've gained a little
weight, so the deficit is now down to 20 pounds. I wonder if this is
something I should be concerned about? I'm always a little reluctant
to talk about it because most people seem to want to lose weight, and
it seems like twisting a knife in their back to talk about the fact
that maybe I should gain some.
Re resp:59: I stop eating when I'm full, but always feel slightly
guilty about not finishing, having been ordered to "clean up my plate"
all the time as a kid. (To be fair, we were kind of poor at the time
and couldn't really afford to waste food.)
Re resp:103: "So could smoking tobacco. Drinking alcohol has religious
connotations for some as well. That's why its legal to smoke in Indian
casinos where otherwise a state has made smoking in public illegal."
Actually, no, that's because they're a sovereign nation and are exempt
from most state laws.
A better example is that recent case where a church was allowed to use
a hallucinogenic tea that is banned by the DEA, because it's part of
their religious ceremony.
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tod
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response 148 of 378:
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Mar 8 00:04 UTC 2006 |
I had an article on the Seattle Ferry system paying a ton of cash to retrofit
the seating to accomodate the larger butt size which keeps increasing over
the past couple decades.
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cyklone
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response 149 of 378:
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Mar 8 00:11 UTC 2006 |
Yup, those types of articles pop up more and more frequently these days. The
Coast Guard and FAA are redoing many of their safety calculations because the
"average" American is porking up. Some may disagree, but I suspect those costs
add up to real money.
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