response 126 of 163:

Sep 27 08:29 UTC 2000

It's neither useful nor appropriate in this case, but I often have cause
to think that Draco was on the right track.

response 128 of 163:

Sep 27 10:20 UTC 2000

You rate them less on the social scale than 'actors'?

response 130 of 163:

Sep 27 15:19 UTC 2000

Heh... baffling with bullshit... 

no Jerryr, I really don't think that's what was either said or meant.  
Guests are not sol, however policy is voted on by members.  Does m-net 
let mere guests decide policy?

All this talk about grex's policy regarding files (didn't Mike himself 
say that he got e-mail back in June or July warning him?) and the AUP 
from those people who are considered to be primarily m-netters 
(especially the staff) just strikes me as the severest hypocrisy. Not 
that I expected otherwise.

response 132 of 163:

Sep 27 15:30 UTC 2000

re: 105 -- I certainly appreciate the time you took to explain the issue.
However, I find it genuinely disappointing. In all seriousness, I thought this
was one area where Grex had M-Net beat. By virtue of not having an AUP, I was
of the belief that the only thing that would get you "in trouble", or
otherwise bothered by staff, was intentionally causing the system to crash,
or a real DoS attack. The impression I'm getting (and correct me if I'm wrong)
is that there's an arbitrary enforcement of "common-sense" rules, and that
actions against such rules are often arbitrary in and of themselves. 

Admittedly, I don't care enough about Grex to drop by coop and try to steer
your policy. And apparently, it's been working for some time now. But on a
moral level, I really think it's wrong.

response 134 of 163:

Sep 27 16:23 UTC 2000

What she's saying is that if the lack of an AUP really bothers someone they can
easily become a member and then propose that one be set in place. You're
already a member, tod, so if it bothers you that much, go to coop and call for
a vote. It's really that simple.

The problem, of course, is that it takes some work.  You have to carefully
draft the proposal and then take the time to defend it in the coop item. I
don't think you want to put in that much effort. Instead, you'd rather just
whine about it here. Whining generally does not get results.

response 136 of 163:

Sep 27 17:31 UTC 2000

what do you meaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan?

response 138 of 163:

Sep 28 00:28 UTC 2000

There are good guests and bad guests.  I treat good guests better.

response 140 of 163:

Sep 28 01:47 UTC 2000

I don't think most people look at someone's membership status before deciding
how to treat them, so I suspect guests that stick around for very long get
about the same treatment as members.

response 142 of 163:

Sep 28 06:37 UTC 2000

I don't think there's any reason to be annoyed.  This is an educational
process.  There are things we do on grex that don't follow the
"conventional" wisdom.  They deserve explaining - and it is a good and
healthy process for us to stop and ask ourselves "why" and "is this
really the best policy" every so often.  Even if the answer is "yes"
it's still a chance for more people to learn the "why" behind things,
and helps to spread knowledge of what grex is all about.  One of the
things we've always tried to do on grex is to have a low-overhead
minimalist style of bureaucracy on grex where in fact a fair amount of
"trust" is invested at a low level - this is very much the inverse of
what has been the historical tradition on m-net.  So their surprise in
us should be no surprise to us.

response 144 of 163:

Sep 28 14:37 UTC 2000

        There's one painfully obvious way that GREX culture has M-net's beat,
in that the staff and board are both able to recognize those who are, as Eric
put it, "stirring up the shit for their own entertainment", and to treat their
contributions to the discussion with that in mind.

response 146 of 163:

Sep 28 20:28 UTC 2000

Smallwood, get some fucking sense!  I learned when i bashed larry kastenbalm's
campaign for state rep of michigan.  I screwed up, but you my friend fry and
flub, have just screwed yourself over.  I think you should go see the father,
and confess your sins for the next oh say 10000000 years.  But wait, maybe
it was and impulse.  Your punishment sould be: Go to YOUR ROOM AND THINK ABOUT
WHAT YOU DID JR.

response 148 of 163:

Sep 29 00:15 UTC 2000

re: #146  why did you screw up when you bashed larry's campaign?  what method
did you use to do the bashing?