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25 new of 335 responses total.
md
response 120 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 14:14 UTC 2001

What about copying and retaining for evidentiary purposes only?
tfbjr
response 121 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 14:47 UTC 2001

I admit, it took a few posts and responses for me to realize Jamie was 
only trolling.  His own press releases made it fairly clear.

What didn't mesh is that a good troller would take the minor insults I 
threw at him and would have had more fun with them.  So that ruled him 
out as a good troller.

The DMCA comments again revealed him as a troll.

Other comments revealed a possible hint of desire to be elected.

So now I'm confused.  Jamie, are you serious about winning?  Is it a 
joke?  

Apparently both.  What a disappointing combination it has to be in the 
long run.  Perhaps you will consider it complimentary, but it reminds 
me somewhat of Andy Kaufman with the whole wrestling thing he got 
into.  It was more humorous to him than anyone else.

I'm not simply slamming you (no wrestling pun intended), I'm honestly 
baffled trying to read your intentions.
gull
response 122 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 15:25 UTC 2001

Re #34: That's just silly.  Saying that photocopying a driver's license 
for ID purposes is illegal because copying a license for the purpose of 
deceiving someone is illegal is like saying that calling someone on the 
telephone is illegal because the telephone can be used to make illegal 
obscene phone calls.

Re #109:
I think, as a political candidate, jp2's words are considered public 
record and you can quote him all you want.

Re #115:
Some people might object to requiring all board members to run a 
Windows-only piece of software. ;>
janc
response 123 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 15:58 UTC 2001

Re netmeeting:  Actually most of the protocols spoken by Microsoft
Netmeeting are industry standard teleconferencing protocols.  There
are open source versions that will interoperate with netmeeting, though
they are not well developed. See for example
http://www.freesoft.org/software/NetMeeting/
pthomas
response 124 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 16:15 UTC 2001

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE           Phil Thomas            pthomas@arbornet.org
25 October 2001

THOMAS SCRIBBLES ITEM 

Cyberspace Communications Board of Directors pre-candidate Phil Thomas
today scribbled a response in the M-Net "general conference," noting his
ability on that system to control his intellectual property.

"In the interests of straight talk, the response I scribbled wasn't really
anything too worthy, but it could have been." said Thomas. "I'm glad that
on M-Net I have the right to do this, whereas on Grex they believe that
the instant you write something it belongs to the 'commune,' despite the
fact that this notion violates every legal precedent known to man, and
every ethical and moral precedent founded in reason."

When asked again about the charges released by TwinkieTime Communications,
he declared that "I will not dignify these allegations with a further
response."

Thomas ended his statement condemning what he called the "deplorable state
of affairs" on Grex, saying "They are in the clutches of the collectivist
lie. I intend to give them a dose of reality."

ABOUT PHIL THOMAS: Phil Thomas recently declared his pre-candidacy for the
Cyberspace Communications Board of Directors. 

keesan
response 125 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 16:40 UTC 2001

Question to the candidates:  Could Jamie and Phil please state in 100 words
or less how it would benefit grex if they were elected to the board?
Comment:  I wish to point out that M-Net is continuing to exist despite the
odds and this is probably due to a great deal of devoted work on the part of
M-Net staff, who are doing a great job on hardware and software there.
Are Jamie or Phil in part responsible for the technical aspects of M-Net, and
might one or both of them be more interested in serving as Grex staff rather
than board members?  (Sorry, I am not up on the details of who is doing what
at M-Net, even though I have a paid membership there because I like using
their faster hardware for browsing.)
jp2
response 126 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 17:36 UTC 2001

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md
response 127 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 17:52 UTC 2001

If you lose, it won't be because Grexers have "hatred for all things M-
Net."  It is embarrassingly obvious that many "mnetters" have hatred 
for all things Grex, and have so for may years, but you will search 
Grex in vain for anything of that magnitude.  What you will find is 
that mnet and "mnetters" are mostly ignored on Grex.  (I, of course, 
have fun tormenting "mnetters" now and then, but I'm not really a 
Grexer so I don't count.)  No, if you lose, it will be because of you, 
period.  Now go eat a sack of shitdicks.
tpryan
response 128 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 17:52 UTC 2001

        86 responses in 24 hours - time to forget.  Sorry.
scott
response 129 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 18:20 UTC 2001

Grexers are generally open to other people.  However, we do hold a grudge
pretty well, which is why Jamie feels like we're against him.
md
response 130 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 18:29 UTC 2001

Heh.  Go to the oldpolicy conference on mnet and check out item 120 for 
an example (one *small* example) of how Jamie and other "mnetters" feel 
about Grex.  This is like shooting fish in a barrel.
tfbjr
response 131 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 18:34 UTC 2001

Jamie, I harbor no hatred toward MNet.  Do you know where my attacks came
from?  It was a combination of info others have posted here and your negative
responses.  Add to that your vague description of how you will benefit Grex.
You cite Arbor Net/MNet success as the basis for your competence, but I am
not familiar with MNet.  You were asking us to do the work to verify your
success.

Some concrete examples of how you would improve Grex would have been in order.
The only issues you have stated strong opinion on are the user ID methods in
place and the message logs.  I don't believe that changing these policies will
bring in hordes of new users.

Attacking people while here does not improve things for your image.

Truth be told, image usually outweighs ability.
jp2
response 132 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 18:43 UTC 2001

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krj
response 133 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 19:13 UTC 2001

Sindi in resp:125 :: you wrote, about M-net ::
> even though I have a paid membership there because I like using
>  their faster hardware for browsing.)

Has M-net told you how much more you'll be expected to pay to 
renew that membership when it expires soon?   :)
Maybe Jamie can tell you how wonderful it is that you'll be paying more.
jp2
response 134 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 19:18 UTC 2001

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tfbjr
response 135 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 19:42 UTC 2001

I paid for my membership today - one year's worth.

Things should be all lined up after I e-mail an image of my ID to the staff
tonight.  A concept I have no problem with.

See you at the polls.
jp2
response 136 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 19:57 UTC 2001

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krj
response 137 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 19:59 UTC 2001

Thank you, Terence, and thank you, Jamie!  :)
I hope Terence will stick around for more than just the upcoming 
election.
jp2
response 138 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 20:10 UTC 2001

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jp2
response 139 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 20:16 UTC 2001

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krj
response 140 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 20:40 UTC 2001

I guess I am ignorant, Jamie.  I just go by the published minutes of 
Arbornet:
 
>        Void suggested that we reduce the rate for a Patronship to $7.50
> per month or $80.00 per year for the next six months.  Existing Members
> would get Patron access immediately, and they would need to renew as
> Patrons.
>        Jp2 moved void's suggestion, dpc seconded, and the motion carried
> 3-0.

So, the minutes say explicitly that "Members" must renew as 
"Patrons."  The plain reading would say that they from paying 
$50/year to $80/year, 
but Jamie says there is some secret proposal I don't know about 
which might allow existing members to be grandfathered in at the 
current $50 rate.

I sure am "stupid" for trusting the published records of the Board
Jamie serves on today.  
tfbjr
response 141 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 20:50 UTC 2001

Wow, Jamie.  The longer you are here, the more people you attack.

Every time you open your mouth, you show us how stupid you are.  This is not
the way to influence people, I'm telling ya.

I always wonder how long it will take for a troll like you to disappear. 
Given, we have to stop feeding you first, but it's SO MUCH FUN to watch...

BTW, I was considering membership before all this.  You did succeed in making
up my mind.  I suppose the benefit could be compared to virus writers creating
business for antivirus companies.
krj
response 142 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 20:54 UTC 2001

((Jamie's been here for years, I doubt he's going away soon.))
jp2
response 143 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 21:06 UTC 2001

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md
response 144 of 335: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 21:20 UTC 2001

Can't wait to hear the answers to that one.
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