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prp
response 12 of 127: Mark Unseen   Aug 16 18:18 UTC 2004

Mac OS makes things easy to do, but finding out about features is
sometimes harder than it should be.  OS X help is not as good as
OS 9 help was yet.  A lot of the links cause searches, instead of 
going directly to something.  This can be slow and generally finds
the same stuff I did when I started.  I remember having to look and
look to find out how to change a file's icon, and that was Before
OS X, and 9 for that matter.  It is easy, but you would never find
out how by experimenting.
rcurl
response 13 of 127: Mark Unseen   Aug 17 15:47 UTC 2004

I have been using MacSSH for a ssh client that is required to access the
CAEN servers. However it only runs under OS 9 (or Classic). In poking
around the web I found a mention of using Terminal on OS X - which is how
I am connected now (with ssh1). I would like, however, to save connection
bookmarks - the information in the Connect to Server window. I found the
Terminal Help to be pretty unclear. How do I create a list of connections
with the settings for server, ssh1 or ssh2, and user ID? (Also the same
for the other clients, telnet, ftp, sftp.) 

Also, is there a full ftp client available under terminal that doesn't require
that I recall all those ftp commands again?
blaise
response 14 of 127: Mark Unseen   Aug 17 18:42 UTC 2004

There are helper applications to handle managing SSH info for Terminal.
 I personally use iTerm as an alternative to Terminal, and because of my
extensive non-GUI experience and weird memory don't bother with
connection lists.  (All of the systems I connect to have the same
username, so "ssh servername" at an OS X command prompt does the trick.)
 I haven't found a GUI FTP client yet; the sftp client I use is Fugu.
rcurl
response 15 of 127: Mark Unseen   Aug 17 20:08 UTC 2004

I'll look into that. However, I have managed to save a server list in
Terminal. The problem was that Terminal Help said to save the servername.term
in Library>Application Support>Terminal, but there wasn't such a folder.
Turns out I had to create it myself - duh!
rcurl
response 16 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 02:21 UTC 2004

How to I copy a [local path] to a file on my computer into the put command
in SFTP in a Terminal window? I need to do this to upload a file on my
computer to my directory on a unix server via ftp. 

gelinas
response 17 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 02:56 UTC 2004

If you aren't in the directory with the file, put the path in quotes, because
it's likely to have spaces:

        put "Documents/Microsoft User Data/My Letter" my-letter
rcurl
response 18 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 04:19 UTC 2004

I get the error message

File "Macintosh HD/Personal Folder/Recipes/Blueberry Pie" not found.

What is the top directory on my Mac (OS-X)? That is, from where do I start
the path? 
gelinas
response 19 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 11:55 UTC 2004

If it were really the root, you'd need a leading slash, not the disk name:

        "/Personal Folder/Recipes/Blueberry Pie"

However, I'd try

        "Personal Folder/Recipes/Blueberry Pie"
rcurl
response 20 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 16:51 UTC 2004

"/Personal Folder/Recipes/Blueberry Pie" works! Thanks!

Terminal Help in OSX is no help at all. It finds nothing for SFTP, for
example, even thouse SFTP is a built in Terminal function. I also thought
there would be a way of selecting the file from a menu or drag-and-drop
in Terminal. Terminal Help does suggest there is, but gives no examples,
and everything I tried like that failed. 
rcurl
response 21 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 11 06:19 UTC 2004

Here is what Terminal Help says about dragging and dropping into Terminal:

   To display a directory path at the insertion point, drag the directory
   (or a file in the directory) to the Terminal window. For example, if
   you want to change your working directory to a directory named
   "Feedback" on your desktop, type cd with a space after it, then drag
   the Feedback directory from your desktop into Terminal. You'll see
   this: 

   [hostname:~] yourname% cd/Users/yourname/Desktop/Feedback

   Press Return and Terminal changes to the Feedback directory.

When I do this with the file Blueberry Pie, dragging and dropping it into the
sftp>put Terminal window, it enters as

   sftp> put /Personal\ Folder/Recipes/Blueberry\ Pie 

This is a variation on the format that works, but of course it doesn't.
Does this suggest how one can successfully drag/drop the path into the
Terminal sftp window? 

gull
response 22 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 13 16:44 UTC 2004

The backslashes are supposed to escape the spaces, the same way putting
them in quotes would.  I don't know why it doesn't work; it's possible
sftp doesn't recognize backslash as an escape character for some reason.
rcurl
response 23 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 13 17:15 UTC 2004

Hmmm....can I change that to what sftp understands? There is a section
"Creating custom control sequences in Terminal" in Terminal Help. 

Hey! I just modified the drag-and-drop by adding quotes, i.e.,

   sftp> put "/Personal\ Folder/Recipes/Blueberry\ Pie"

and it worked! That's not much of an imposition. 
blaise
response 24 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 14 18:09 UTC 2004

sftp is not built in to Terminal.  Try "man sftp" at a command prompt.
rcurl
response 25 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 14 19:29 UTC 2004

I'm  not sure what you mean. I am using Terminal in Mac OSX. In Terminal,
there is File>Connect to Server> service choices of ssh, sftp, ftp and telnet.
twenex
response 26 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 14 19:43 UTC 2004

Then choosing File>Connect to Server>sftp should do it, or at the prompt
type "man sftp", which brings up the man[ual] page for sftp.
rcurl
response 27 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 00:50 UTC 2004

"man sftp" at a sftp> is am invalid command. however "help" at the sftp>
prompt provides a list of possible commands and their effects (in a few
words). No "man" pages appear to be available, per se. 

However "man sftp" at a new shell prompt does produce the usual detailed
man pages. (Now I have to look back at this thread to recall why we want
to know this....sort of like man pages themselves....)
rcurl
response 28 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 00:56 UTC 2004

OK - I did sort of wonder where the man pages where. The top response to
asking Terminal Help for "man" is "Learning about Unix commands". Fair enough.
Usually Terminal Help has no help for terms you might expect to find in a
glossary. 
rcurl
response 29 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 06:49 UTC 2004

I've been trying to get a USB printer connected to my G4 (OSX) to work
from an iMac (OS9). I been through the OSX Help page "Sharing your USB
printer with Mac OS computers", which then directs you to the OS9 Help
for "Using a shared printer". What it tells me is that I have to "preselect"
the printer in the iMac on the USB Printer Sharing control panel.

So I open USB Printer Sharing on the iMac and click on Network Printers
tab. However the printer on the G4 is not there, so (following the Help
instructions) I click on Add. Two "neighborhoods" are listed in the Select
Shared Printer window, but opening neither produces a printer to
"preselect". In this case I am supposed to "confirm the neighborhood" by
clicking on a link in OS9 Help called <Set my network neighborhood>. This
produces an error dialog "File SLP Preferences wasn't found". However said
"SLP Preferences" file IS in the Preferences folder.

There is an "Add Neighborhood" button in the Select Shared Printer window,
but that opens a dialog into which one is supposed to enter, I presume,
the name of a neighborhood to enter. I've tried several things, like the
name of the G4(OSX) computer, but nothing works. There is no Help in Mac
Help for the "Add Neighborhood" dialog. At this point I'm stuck. Any
suggestions? 

prp
response 30 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 19:50 UTC 2004

Does the OS 9 system have the "USB Printer Sharring Extension" installed
as well as the Control Panel?  Also, you need to goto the OS X Sharing
Panel in System Options and turn on printer sharing.

As I remember the "USB Printer Sharing" stuff on OS 9 lets you share a
priter connected to that computer via USB with other computers.  You
want to go the other way around.  What happens when you run the chooser
on the OS 9 system?
rcurl
response 31 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 19 06:45 UTC 2004

Yes, there is a "USB Printer Sharing Extension" in OS 9. I tried with OS X
Printer Sharing either on, or off with Classic running - the OS X "Sharing
your USB printer...." Help page says "If you turn off printer sharing in
Max OS X, you can still use the USB Printer Sharing control panel in the
Classic environment to share printers".

Selecting the printer in the OS 9 computer Chooser (the driver is
installed there too) does not bring up the printer connected to the OS X
computer. 

rcurl
response 32 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 22 06:32 UTC 2004

I search Yahoo groups for "SLP Preferences" and found another person that
got the "File SLP Preferences wasn't found" error when trying to add
a "neighborhood" - and the solution: upgrade Applescript. Running 
<Set my network neighborhood> now says the neighborhood is "Local Services".
There was already a "Local Network" neighborhood listed in the USP Printer
Sharing>Add dialog. This appears to just be a bit of confusion thrown in
by giving the same thing different names in two dialogs. Unforunately,
fixing <Set my network neighborhood> didn't allow me to preselect the
printer.

What finally did, however, was running Rebuild Desktop in Classic Preferences
on the G4(OS X). Now opening Local Network on the iMac(OS 9) USB Printer
Sharing > Add, produced the name of the USB printer on the G4, so I could
choose/preselect it, and it appeared in the iMac Chooser when the USB
printer icon was chosen. I went to bed happy....but the next day discovered
that even though the Chooser on the iMac chose the USB printer on the G4 -
I could still not print to it. The error was given as -6982, but that's
not helpful as it is just means "USB abort". 

The problem is the same whether the G4(OS X) is running the Classic
enironment, or not. It looks like I am running out of options.....
rcurl
response 33 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 22:07 UTC 2004

I updated OS 10.3.2 to 10.3.5 (available over the web) hoping that its
claimed updates to USB functionality might solve the problem of printing
from a OS9 computer to a networked printer on an OSX machine. Even though
the printer shows in the OS9 machine's Chooser, printing still fails. 
(There is quite a bit of discussion of this in online groups - but no
solutions, as yet.)

Here's new OSX questions: 

When using the Disk Utility, one has the options to Verify or Repair
Permissions or the Disk.

Q1: Why would one want to Verify instead of just running Repair, since
they take about the same amount of time? 

Q2: Is it better to repair Permissions or the Disk first, when running
these as general maintenance?

Q3: Why are there Permissions to repair after installing most software,
even the Apple automatic updates?
gull
response 34 of 127: Mark Unseen   Sep 25 22:55 UTC 2004

Guesses, since I don't run OS X:

Q1: Sometimes it's a good idea to see what's going to be changed before
you allow the changes to happen.

Q2: I would repair the disk first, then the permissions.  The reason is
the disk repair could potentially change the file structure that the
permissions are going to be applied to.

Q3: Maybe they aren't paying enough attention to permissions in their
update code?
rcurl
response 35 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 20:39 UTC 2005

When I click on a .pdf on a website in Netscape 7.1 I am not only shown
the document but it also places a copy on my OS 10.3.5 Desktop without my
using "Save". This didn't happen in OS 9.2.2. Is there a way to stop it
from doing this? I can't find any preferences in Netscape or OS X that
seem to apply.
gull
response 36 of 127: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 21:34 UTC 2005

Slightly OT: Does anyone know of a good, reliable source for used or
refurbished Mac laptops?
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