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rcurl
response 112 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 17 05:53 UTC 1997

The dandelions all died.....
n8nxf
response 113 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 17 11:44 UTC 1997

For me the tacit pressure comes more from neighbors than ancestors.
If the neighbors all had weed-infested lawns, I'd feel normal.
However, I'm shunned for other reasons, so what the heck ;-)
rcurl
response 114 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 17 22:00 UTC 1997

The neighbors never said a word.....my feeling of pressure could only have
been ancestral.
n8nxf
response 115 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 18 11:18 UTC 1997

So if your neighbors all had dandelion pastures for lawns, you would still
feel the need to weed & feed?
rcurl
response 116 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 18 18:15 UTC 1997

Good question...why don't they? If the dandelion were a rare and hard
to cultivate plant, my neighbors and the city would probably be planting it
for early spring color. I like the flower. But, like the ancient Greeks,
I follow "everything in moderation". That's also why I don't care for grass
as the majority.
n8nxf
response 117 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 19 11:57 UTC 1997

Perhaps it is ancestral.  I must admit that my neighbors weed & feed lawn
*looks* better than mine, however mine is much healthier and much more
diverse so far as plant and animal life.  He uses lots of chemicals to
create a favorable environment for his monoculture while mine supports
whatever it wants to.  I suppose the urge to have good looking lawns, cars,
homes, etc. is ancestral.  Perhaps even deeper than that ;-)
rcurl
response 118 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 19 15:52 UTC 1997

Is it an urge for "control"? Vast lawns go back a long ways. They represent
both control over nature, which is an ancestral urge (since nature was
pretty dangerous to early man), and also a form of conspicuous consumption,
since it represents wealth to maintain a monoculture against natural forces.
Somehow I have less of this gene, as I like a diverse habitat, and would
let it grow up with natural plants, except for that fragment of the control
gene I do have. 
valerie
response 119 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 04:32 UTC 1997

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scott
response 120 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 20 12:55 UTC 1997

The name "ChemLawn" is disturbing enough.  ;)

I have a a lawn nazi on one side of my house, and a "just enough" on the 
other side.  I'm leaning towards the "just enough", although I will 
admit to using Weed & Feed to keep the dandilions under control.  The 
previous owner was "barely legal", which means plenty of non-grass 
plants in my lawn.

I don't mind the dandilions until they lose all their seed and become 
Ugly Stalks.  That is enough reason to get rid of most of them.  I'd do 
it by hand, except that my lawn is too big to make that practical.  The 
weeds do seem to attract rabbits, though.

My back yard is mostly lawn, but with a couple areas gone wild (and 
mowed carefully around to make it look intentional).
n8nxf
response 121 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 21 21:21 UTC 1997

I know my lawn would be illegal in some subdivisions.  When Chemlawn and
the like come by with their checklist of all the naught plants growing
in my lawn, I get a check mark in almost all of the boxes.  My goal is
to get a check in every box.  When we move, we and three neighbors, will
do our best to establish several acres of "Michigan prairie", the latest
yuppie trend.
arabella
response 122 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 07:49 UTC 1997

I've read that a century ago vast lawns included other plants than
grass, like clover, for instance, and they were not considered as
weeds.  Clover will actually benefit the soil, as it is a legume
and fixes nitrogen.

Our lawn in the backyard is green and thick and includes many other
plants than grass.  Dandelions, creeping charlie, etc...  I don't
mind, as long as Ken mows it regularly.  My neighbor on the right
dug all her dandelions out by hand over a period of years.  My
neighbor on the left has a front lawn that is mostly crabgrass
(not that I mind....  Our front lawn is almost entirely weeds,
since it's too shady for regular grass, and there's a big mossy
patch in the middle...  I'm considering reseeding this fall with
a shade-tolerant eco-lawn mixture).

remmers
response 123 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 12:48 UTC 1997

Lawns that are mixtures of grass and clover are quite pretty,
and are less susceptible to summer brown-out, since the clover
stays green. Also, I don't mind a few dandelions in the yard --
the yellow flowers are pretty, but unfortunately the rest of the
plant is pretty ugly and is still there long after the flowers
are gone, so if there are too many of them one's lawn looks like
crap (in my opinion).

I wouldn't mind my lawn having a lot of clover and a tiny bit
of dandelion, but unfortunately I don't know how to achieve
this. If I don't use any herbicide, the dandelions get out of
hand eventually. If I use some, it kills the clover as well as
the dandelions.

Then there's the $^%!$@%$# creeping charlie, which seems to be
impervious to any kind of chemical control and is really taking
over around here. The only way I know of to get rid of it is to
pull it out by the roots, a truly daunting task unless you catch
it early.
coyote
response 124 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 23:23 UTC 1997

Re 121:
        Wouldn't a lawn-gone-wild be more like a meadow than a prarie?

ChemLawn is a scary company.  I came home one day to find a little plastic
bag attached to our front doorknob from ChemLawn that said 'Look what we
found!' on it.  We hadn't hired them to do this or anything.  Inside was a
leaf from some kind of plant, and a couple of bugs.  Is it just me, or is that
the craziest thing to do -- look through somebody's lawn for insects.  Insects
are *expected* in an outdoor area.  What do they want us to do, exterminate
them?
valerie
response 125 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 02:38 UTC 1997

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n8nxf
response 126 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 11:22 UTC 1997

Chemlawn's now using specimens in bags?  I think they have given up on us
as I've not seen anything from them in the last couple of years.  Can't
say I blame them.  It also seems that our front lawn has become the local
sanctuary for ants.  We have three or four good sized nests.  None of
them get into the house and ant lions have set up residence in the dry
soil under the eves.  (Pretty ugly creatures with pincers about as long
as their body.  I'm sure they would be great gross-em-out critters for
Chemlawn's specimen bags ;-)
remmers
response 127 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 14:13 UTC 1997

Re #125: That could be effective. If the dandelions start to get
out of hand again, maybe I'll propose a unique nature
grexpedition.
arabella
response 128 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 26 08:03 UTC 1997

You could dig the dandelions up in the spring befor they flower and
eat them.  They make great salad greens, but they become bitter when
they flower.  You can also make dandelion wine out of the flowers.
I have a whole book of dandelion recipes.

jiffer
response 129 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 26 23:53 UTC 1997

i agree with Leslie!  Yummy salads!
valerie
response 130 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 06:19 UTC 1997

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arabella
response 131 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 09:15 UTC 1997

I object to the use of herbicides in most cases...  Valerie has
a good point.  Also, it's best not to eat dandelions growing too
near the road.  Too much pollution from cars.

rcurl
response 132 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jul 2 00:42 UTC 1997

I've been thinking about calling dandelion seed stalks "ugly". I was at
the St. Louis zoo a couple of days ago, and got a bit annoyed at other
visitors (and their kids) calling this or that animal "ugly". Yes, there
was a gecko that did not look like Bambi, but I am sure that in the wild
the species is rerproductively successful - and indeed those dandelion
stalks *are* reproductively successful. They are, in fact, marvelous
instruments of that - what's "ugly" about that? Nevertheless, I have an
aversion to their appearance, but now recognized that that is MY fault -
perhaps genetic, but overcomable with education and tolerance.

kami
response 133 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jul 2 03:38 UTC 1997

Uh, oh- not only is the creeping charlie still carrying downy mold from the
snowball bush around the yard, the leafcutters are eating my mountain ash tree
again.  <sigh>  Now what?  
Oh- creeping charlie is also called:
Ground Ivy,
Gill run over the ground
Alehoof
and various names I've forgotten.  Pretty common stuff... I think the violets
have *almost* out-competed it in places.
I'm sure pleased with the clover in my yard- almost enough to want a bee skep.
n8nxf
response 134 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jul 2 11:53 UTC 1997

Dandelions are truly amazing plants!  I have pulled budding dandelions out
by the roots, tossed them into the wilderness between us and our neighbors
only to have them caught by some branch and just dangle there.  Within 24
hrs. that same uprooted dandelion will have flowered and turned to seed while
hanging there!
 
This year my kids picked several dandelion flowers, laid them in a plastic
pie-tin and filled it with water.  It sat around outside for several days
but most of the flowers managed to bend their heads up and go to seed, all
without the remainder of the plant!
remmers
response 135 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jul 2 15:56 UTC 1997

Yep, dandelions are truly amazing plants. I've read that if any
part of the root remains in the ground, the plant can regenerate
from it. That's why they have special tools for pulling
dandelions that facilitate getting the entire root (which tends
to go quite deep).

Ants and centipedes sure are amazing animals, but I don't
tolerate them in my house. Don't feel much motivation for
tolerating dandelions in my yard, either, or adjusting my
attitude towards the esthetics of their appearance.
rcurl
response 136 of 172: Mark Unseen   Jul 2 20:52 UTC 1997

Yes, adjusting attitudes *is* more difficult than spraying poisons.
Ants and centipedes can be health hazards. I doubt that dadelions are
(also, they are not in your house - I presume you tolerate ants and centipedes
outside?)
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