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birdy
response 11 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 15:35 UTC 2000

I find that idea wildly ridiculous since everyone prefers different 
kinds of posts.  They can install their own twit filter.
carson
response 12 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 16:25 UTC 2000

resp:9  ("set cfonce")

        (you're welcome.)
willard
response 13 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 17:01 UTC 2000

I think it would be a better idea to fishbowl Agora, and make it a
place where the 'cool kids' hang out.
keesan
response 14 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 17:05 UTC 2000

Jdeigert suggests that every time people log on to Agora, there be a brief
message telling them how to use the twit filter in order to avoid the
droppings of certain people who prefer a different environment.  Set it up
so people only have to fill in the names of the users who they want to avoid
the 'contributions' of, without having to know anything about .cfonce files
or programming.  Maybe as part of the change program.  Maybe with an
explanation of why there is a need for this approach.  And that way people
who don't like the environment they find when they enter grex can filter it
out and have the playground entirely to themselves and their friends.  
remmers
response 15 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 17:21 UTC 2000

I'd like for Russ to elaborate on his concept, but I'm sure I'd
be opposed to anything that filters particular users by default
(much as I disagree with willards's before/after characterization
of Agora).

I would favor an easier-to-use and more flexible filtering facility
than is now available.  The sheer volume of material in the current
Agora -- far more than any previous one -- makes that desirable.
I'd oppose editorializing on the "need" for it, though -- different
users have different "needs".  Make its availability known, and
leave it up to the individual whether they want to use it or not.

Regarding filtering, it should be pointed out:

(a) Someone would have to write the software.

(b) In any case, it wouldn't work with backtalk.
willard
response 16 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 19:39 UTC 2000

#15:  The nice thing about this country (and Grex, so I thought) is
      that we're all allowed to have different opinions.
gull
response 17 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 20:03 UTC 2000

I'd recommend against running a script that's in another user's home
directory without checking it first for trojans, and making your own copy to
avoid the possibility of them adding one later.
remmers
response 18 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 20:42 UTC 2000

Re #16: I interpret that to mean that you agree with me.  Is this
interpretation correct?

Re #17: Good advice.
willard
response 19 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 20:51 UTC 2000

#17:  Well duh.
mary
response 20 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 18 23:54 UTC 2000

If at this meeting the board will be voting to purchase a backup tape
drive then maybe it would be good form to get it on the agenda and enter
something here or in the tape drive item that states what we'll be buying
and how much we'll be spending.  If I remember correctly this purchase
will take about a third of Grex's available funds.  So the more info
that's out in front of the users before the vote, the better.

willard
response 21 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 19 01:50 UTC 2000

I would argue very strongly against the purchase of a tape backup
drive.  
krj
response 22 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 19 06:48 UTC 2000

Before Grex spends all its money on the tape drive  :) I would like 
to be sure to get the check for the magnet project pledges.  
(Greg and I agreed to postpone this a while ago to see if more pledges
would trickle in, but by now I'm going to assume that everything 
is in which is coming in.)
flem
response 23 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 19 16:05 UTC 2000

Oh, right, I knew I was supposed to be doing something else... Sorry, Ken,
I'll get right on that.  
  <flem searches frantically for his brain, which appears to be missing.>
gull
response 24 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 19 22:31 UTC 2000

I found it!  It oozed out while you were watching TV, again.
other
response 25 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 01:57 UTC 2000

Mary, thank you for reminding me...:

-------------------------------------------------------------

GREX BOARD OF DIRECTORS MEETING

DATE AND TIME: Monday, 25 September 2000, 7:00pm EDT

PLACE: Upstairs at Zingerman's Next Door
422 Detroit Street, Ann Arbor, Michigan USA

-------------------------------------------------------------
AGENDA:
01)  <10 sec. - Gavel Banging - other
02)   03 min. - Chairman's Report - other
03)   10 min. - Treasurer's Report - flem
04)   05 min. - Publicity Committee - mta/other
05)   15 min. - Technical Committee - staff
06)   15 min. - Telephone Line Update - staff
07)   15 min. - The Missing Tape Drive Vote - all
08)   15 min. - Schedule next meeting - all
09)   10 min. - New Business - all
10)  >.1 sec. - Gavel Cessation - other

-------------------------------------------------------------
Please use this item to enter proposed changes or additions to this agenda.
willard
response 26 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 05:42 UTC 2000

I don't see other's mom anywhere on this version...
keesan
response 27 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 13:05 UTC 2000

I would like to hear, as part of 03), how much extra income is attributed to
the credit card payment option, and how much it costs per month to offer. 
Exactly how many foreign members do we currently have?  Are there other
members who would not have paid by check, who are paying by credit card?
ea
response 28 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 21:12 UTC 2000

I paid for my membership by credit card.  I can't speak for anyone else, 
but it was much easier to just pull out the credit card and submit the 
information than it would have been to write out, and mail a check.  
Plus, everyone benefits from this.  The treasurer has less paper to 
process.  Less trees are cut down to make envelopes, checks, and stamps. 
 My postman has one less letter to carry, POSSIBLY preventing him from 
collapsing under the load.  (the straw that broke the camel's back 
theory)  Grex has my money, and I can feel good about donating to a good 
cause.  Everyone wins.
scott
response 29 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 21:25 UTC 2000

(and the banks get a cut, too!)
flem
response 30 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 20 22:29 UTC 2000

(I heartily assure you that the lack of paper in no way simplifies the 
accounting process for credit card transactions.  Quite the contrary, in 
fact...  Not that ease of accounting is any real consideration w.r.t. 
credit cards.)
keesan
response 31 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 13:32 UTC 2000

I got the impression that we had about five extra members joining due to the
credit card option, but that it was costing about $70/month to have it,
thereby losing close to $50/month in order to make payment slightly more
convenient for a few non-foreign members, and to give the treasurer additional
work.  Is there a trend to enough increase in paid membership directly
attributable to credit cards that it would cover the added cost (not to
mention the added time put in by the treasurer, who could have used it instead
to do something that would save or make money for grex).  
scott
response 32 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 17:31 UTC 2000

Before credit cards we were pretty much stuck at never more than 100 members.
At the moment we are up to 124.
keesan
response 33 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 21 18:30 UTC 2000

How many of the 124 have paid by credit card, and had not previously ever paid
by check?  Sounds as if it would only need about 15 to break even.
ea
response 34 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 22 21:19 UTC 2000

Sorry Greg, I didn't realize that credit cards were actually more work.  
I was basing my response on the fact that credit cards do not generate 
smallish pieces of paper which are somewhat easy to misplace (if your 
organizational habits are anything like mine)
keesan
response 35 of 57: Mark Unseen   Sep 22 21:35 UTC 2000

I expect that the two companies involved are sending out their own stack of
papers, and that they have to be send papers in return (bills, checks).  
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