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md
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response 108 of 143:
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Sep 23 17:31 UTC 1999 |
Okay, okay. I've been leaning on the
"forget" button lately, as a matter of
fact. Maybe the answer is to keep entering
items like your "secret celebrity" one
that's such a hit. People who aren't
into spitting at each other need items they
can respond to.
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gull
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response 109 of 143:
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Sep 23 23:04 UTC 1999 |
Yeah. I dislike the idea of moving items out of agora just so you (or I, for
that matter) don't have to look at them. I do wish that items about other
topics would stop turning into gun control pissing contests, though.
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lilmo
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response 110 of 143:
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Sep 25 02:05 UTC 1999 |
When I first read md's request, I got the notion that he was interested in
moving them not so much b/c their content annoyed him, as that the seemingly
endless repetition of the content annoyed him.
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aruba
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response 111 of 143:
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Sep 25 02:16 UTC 1999 |
Perhaps moving items would not be necessary to accomplish the goal of making
Agora less full of gun items. If a gun conference existed, it might be
enough just to ask that people who want to discuss the issue do it there and
not (at least not ad nauseum) in Agora.
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srw
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response 112 of 143:
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Sep 25 02:38 UTC 1999 |
Or gun control could be discussed in the newsline (politics) conference,
well know for its contentious debates. These items would be right at
home.
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lilmo
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response 113 of 143:
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Sep 25 03:02 UTC 1999 |
Good idea!
Let some person, who frequents agora, make that suggestion, there, then.
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i
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response 114 of 143:
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Sep 25 04:46 UTC 1999 |
Perhaps that fw could link some of the gun items from summer agora?
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remmers
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response 115 of 143:
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Sep 25 13:51 UTC 1999 |
(Actually, I think that a gun control conference fw'd by Michael Delizia
could be very interesting. I'd even read it. I don't think he was
volunteering to be fairwitness though... ;-)
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pfv
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response 116 of 143:
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Sep 28 22:44 UTC 1999 |
I'd rather see it spewed in agora where I can read it until I
puke and then forget a load of dufus' topics at once.
I'd certainly plan on extracting and reposting them right back to
agora for reasons mentioned before *AND* above.
Deal with it or filter it.
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aruba
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response 117 of 143:
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Sep 29 01:00 UTC 1999 |
I'd like to see the guns conference created, but we do need to find a
fair witness.
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i
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response 118 of 143:
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Sep 29 01:44 UTC 1999 |
Tomorrow will be the sacred 7th day since the proposal to create the new
cf. But without either a fw or people who seem interested in being
users in a guns cf, i won't get worked up about creating it real soon.
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janc
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response 119 of 143:
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Sep 29 02:20 UTC 1999 |
I haven't been on Grex long enough to be completely clear on the sacred
rituals of conference creation. I think you do need a fair witness. I
don't know if you need to be able to find anyone who actually wants to
use the conference, but if you create one without doing so, I think you
have no moral standing to try to push discussions of that subject into
that conference.
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devnull
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response 120 of 143:
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Sep 29 02:46 UTC 1999 |
Presumably if you have a fairwitness, that person wants to be a user of
the conference? (Or at least, someone may have invented rules on the
assumption that you'de have an fw who knew that there was demand for
the cf, which wouldn't necessarily always be a reasonable assumption.)
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keesan
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response 121 of 143:
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Sep 29 15:31 UTC 1999 |
How about a more general conference which includes gun control, such as a
crime conference? People could discuss every crime mentioned on the news.
And decide whether stricter gun control would reduce crime.
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pfv
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response 122 of 143:
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Sep 29 15:34 UTC 1999 |
We already discuss it.. Right in agora.
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dpc
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response 123 of 143:
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Sep 29 15:40 UTC 1999 |
My surmise is that any attempt to shunt gun control off into its own
conferences won't work, but I suppose it's worth a try...
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aruba
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response 124 of 143:
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Sep 29 17:15 UTC 1999 |
You never know until you try.
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gull
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response 125 of 143:
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Sep 29 22:28 UTC 1999 |
Re #123: It won't work because what's going on isn't debate, it's
evangelizing. The 'guns for everyone' types wouldn't be interested in
preaching to the choir in a gun conference.
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aruba
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response 126 of 143:
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Sep 30 00:15 UTC 1999 |
How do you know only the choir will join the conference?
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remmers
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response 127 of 143:
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Sep 30 17:25 UTC 1999 |
Probably not only the choir would join the conference, but I don't see
that this would keep gun items out of Agora. Evangelical types
generally want the largest possible audience, and Agora is where that is
and is likely to remain.
But be that as it may, I interpret Michael's resp:108 as "I withdraw the
proposal." However, if somebody else wants to propose a gun conference,
they certainly can.
Our practice has been to create a conference if:
(1) Somebody proposes it.
(2) There's been a few days allowed (usually 5 or so) to discuss it.
(3) After the discussion period, the proposer still wants it.
(4) Somebody volunteers to fairwitness it.
If all the above conditions are met, the conference is created. If any
one of them isn't, it's not. I think we should stick to that policy.
With respect to the gun conference, we had (1) for a while, but I don't
think we have it anymore. So far we haven't had (4). This could change.
If people genuinely want a place to discuss guns, they should certainly
have it. I seem to remember that years ago there was a guns conference
on M-Net that was quite active. But on M-Net at that time, there was a
sizeable group of users who were gun hobbyists, including Mike Myers,
the original owner.
As far as using a gun conference to control the content of Agora is
concerned, I don't think it'd work. Like I said, evangelical types go
hunting where the ducks are. Anyway, fads like gun control items tend to
be temporary and fade away on their own if left be. Conferencing tends
to be like the weather -- changeable and hard to control. I'll note that
at this writing, fall Agora has been up for over a week and contains no
gun items at all.
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md
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response 128 of 143:
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Sep 30 20:26 UTC 1999 |
You're right, John, I did mean #108 as withdrawing
the proposal. The gun control items in the Summer
Agora cf remain forgotten, and I haven't seen a new
gun item in Fall yet.
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remmers
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response 129 of 143:
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Oct 1 17:56 UTC 1999 |
See? The weather's changed.
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lilmo
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response 130 of 143:
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Oct 1 18:29 UTC 1999 |
And if that comes up again, I would remind ppl that the politics cf is a very
appropriate place to put them (via linking, or whatever).
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prp
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response 131 of 143:
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Jan 25 21:29 UTC 2000 |
After some responses in item 152, and some e-mail, I'm officially
proposing the Decorum confernnce. I'm also going to start a new
item to discuss Decorum. It should be #153.
Note as things stand now, there would actually be three new conferences:
Decorum, Decorum-Archive, and Cutting-room-floor.
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cmcgee
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response 132 of 143:
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Jan 25 23:01 UTC 2000 |
You might take a look at the Intro conference. It too was set up to keep
newbies from being overwhelmed by agora, and all the inactive conferences.
It died. Might want to find out why.
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