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Grex > Coop9 > #55: Motion: To allow unregistered reading of all conferences | |
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ladymoon
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response 107 of 367:
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Feb 24 01:19 UTC 1997 |
Well, I felt asking peacefully would be the better thing to try. Don't say
I never tried to resolve things without getting nasty first.
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valerie
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response 108 of 367:
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Feb 24 01:50 UTC 1997 |
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robh
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response 109 of 367:
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Feb 24 04:38 UTC 1997 |
Re 106 - You might also note that I voted "yes" on the previous
one, and will vote "no" on this one. If you're going to be that
exact about it. >8)
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rcurl
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response 110 of 367:
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Feb 24 08:31 UTC 1997 |
I am going to vote yes, because I believe that unregistered web reading
will yield far greater benefits than detriments. Even in the face of
possible detriments, we can evaluate them if they occur, and change our minds
if we judge them significant enough.
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albaugh
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response 111 of 367:
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Feb 24 17:19 UTC 1997 |
I'll be voting *NO* again (and again and again if necessary)
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rcurl
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response 112 of 367:
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Feb 24 18:19 UTC 1997 |
I had intended to state in #110 that I *preferred* the compromise, in
regard for those with concerns about unregistered web reading, but now
faced with the harder decision, I still opt for more access freedom
for reading.
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tsty
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response 113 of 367:
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Feb 25 10:40 UTC 1997 |
i wish there were a proposal to restart intro.cf and open *that* to
the web interface. if that's not the best-of-grex ... maybe just
open the coop item #57 to the web. that's a fine piece of work.
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valerie
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response 114 of 367:
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Feb 25 22:16 UTC 1997 |
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mary
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response 115 of 367:
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Feb 25 23:19 UTC 1997 |
John, anytime (after midnight) feel free to fire-up the
vote program with motion worded as in #0.
Thanks.
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richard
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response 116 of 367:
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Feb 25 23:23 UTC 1997 |
Jenna, will you still leave grex if Mary's motoin passes and all confs are
opened? Now that you are a member? I guess theoretically you could cancel
your membership and have the remainder of the money refunded to you. Which
would be a nice piece of change, which was intended for your use anyway.
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ladymoon
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response 117 of 367:
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Feb 26 00:12 UTC 1997 |
I'd encourage her to. Why support something that doesn't support you in
return?
I will also leave, which will probably shoot the "Yes" vote up by a few.
If it passes, I will look for a replacement FW for Sexuality II. I will not
have mmy name put on a conference that violates the little privacy its'
original posters had the day before.
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ryan1
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response 118 of 367:
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Feb 26 00:35 UTC 1997 |
It is not worth it to lose some Grexers, in the hope that other people
will join. Wouldn't you rather have your good friends to converse with,
rather than some new strangers that you don't already know? Sure,
having new Grexers is a good thing, but this is going way too far to try
to get more people to use Grex. It just isn't worth it.
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ryan1
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response 119 of 367:
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Feb 26 00:42 UTC 1997 |
Anyone ever read "The Fisherman and his Wife"? I feel that story can
explain this situation.
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dpc
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response 120 of 367:
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Feb 26 01:08 UTC 1997 |
What is the evidence that running newuser is a psychological barrier?
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valerie
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response 121 of 367:
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Feb 26 04:02 UTC 1997 |
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nsiddall
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response 122 of 367:
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Feb 26 04:06 UTC 1997 |
Selena, I will vote no on Mary's proposal, just because I don't want to
upset you and others who feel so strongly about it, even though I feel
myself that unregistered reading is probably a good idea. Otheres are
doing the same. Please take that in the spirit it is intended, and stay in
the community, and don't make this such a divisive issue.
It just is not that important a matter of principle, either way. Not
allowing unregistered reading does not really exclude anyone who wants to
be part of Grex, and only marginally detracts from marketing efforts, if
we really want to attract new users. Allowing unregistered reading might
cause more strangers to read your posts, but nothing here is private
anyway. You have no idea who I am, for example, and anyone in the world
may sign on at any moment, and read anything on here.
These arguments have already been made. Since we have to vote on it,
let's vote, and then move on.
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robh
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response 123 of 367:
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Feb 26 06:29 UTC 1997 |
Cannons to the right of us, cannons to the left of us, into
the valley of the shadow of Death we ride...
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nestene
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response 124 of 367:
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Feb 26 11:30 UTC 1997 |
Re 122:
Since you've decided to vote against your own judgement based on the fact
that it would upset Selena if we did something she didn't like, may I offer
the following argument in an attempt to change your mind?
Since your vote is based on how much others will be upset, all I have to
do is be more upset, right? So, if Grex decides to bar anonymous reading,
I will hold my breath until I turn blue and whine and pout forever.
How upset do I have to be before you become more ashamed of hurting me than
you are of hurting her? How upset do I have to be before you decide to
think for yourself, rather than wimping out the first time someone whines?
Whenever things change, someone gets hurt. Whenever things don't change,
someone gets hurt. You've paid your money, make your own choice. Don't
let Selena or Tsty or Kerouac or Robh or Chelsea or Popcorn or me or
anyone else make it for you. Grex needs *your* decision, as only you can
make it; that's how democracy works.
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remmers
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response 125 of 367:
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Feb 26 12:50 UTC 1997 |
The vote program is now enabled for voting on this proposal. As
usual, type "vote" from a Unix shell prompt of "!vote" from a
bbs or menu prompt to cast a ballot. Voting will end at the end
of the day (EST) on March 12.
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nsiddall
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response 126 of 367:
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Feb 26 17:29 UTC 1997 |
You're right, Peter...but we are not only a democracy, we're a community, and
it is good to accomodate each other a bit. I'd like for us to be a community
of patient tolerant adults, rather than of pouting children.
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babozita
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response 127 of 367:
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Feb 26 17:57 UTC 1997 |
Hi. Me again. don'tworry, I'm not going to get on any high horses. I just came
back because I didn't understand the parameters of the ballot and was hoping
this item would explain. It hasn't. I should like to point out that not every
member reads this conference. For this reason, the proposal is overly vague;
some members may confuse "unregistered users" with "unvalidated users". I
would recommend that, if possible, the voting booth (but NOT the motion)
include a brief explanation of the phrase "unregistered user".
Selena, if this passes and you choose to leave, I'll be glad to take Sexuality
back. (For that matter, I'm interested in co-FWing with you again, regardless,
in that conf).
Rob, if YOU choose to leave, you can find me often on
cal022011.student.utwente.nl
handle: Cheetah Whelp
(free registration, but requires a valid internet adress; a Grex account
qualifies)
As for everyone else, how I've decided to vote on this is not a reflection
on how I feel about anyone or whom it is I trust, or like. I'm not amember,
so my vote doesn't count anyway, but I am voting on principle.
The issues are trivial. It's how we treat our friends that matters. My
previous paricipation in these conversations let my friends done, and for that
I apologize.
The issues are always trivial, in both directions.
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rcurl
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response 128 of 367:
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Feb 26 17:59 UTC 1997 |
I think everyone will still be accomodating everyone else a bit,
regardless how they vote on this. I never pout, whether I win or lose a
vote - it is all part of the democratic process. If I lose - I conclude
that I was not persuasive enough - *this time*. (Of course, not because it
was a bad idea.. B^}.)
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robh
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response 129 of 367:
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Feb 26 18:41 UTC 1997 |
Re 127 - To reiterate yet again, I will *not* be leaving Grex
if the motion passes. I'll be resigning form the Board and the Staff,
and I will no longer participate in the conferences, but I have
every intention of keeping my account, using it for mail, party,
and other things, and I even intend to continue my membership.
(Giving my money is trivial, giving my soul isn't.)
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richard
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response 130 of 367:
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Feb 26 19:39 UTC 1997 |
This is all contingent on how jan and steve choose to set it up. PUtting
pointers to individual items is much more of a nuisance if a user has to
be directed through a disclaimer screen encouraging them to run newuser.
If this vote passes, then it is the sentiment of the members that a user
doesnt have to run newuser, so I would hope any disclaimer screens
claiming the real sentiment is to the contrary are not used. Someone
clicking a pointer to a grex item should go directly to the marked item,
do not pass go do not collect $200.
But then again, grex doesnt own Backtalk and the authors can do what they
want in the way of enacting this policy.
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nako
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response 131 of 367:
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Feb 26 20:59 UTC 1997 |
I just cast my second vote. Again, I voted no. It's not that I'm against
opening conferences to more readers - I'm voting for the same reasons I
voted no the last time.
Valerie has stated that changes are on the way that will increase the
bandwidth - and that's fine. I'll be glad to see it when it comes, as
it'll make my life (as well as the lives of others) easier here on Grex.
But even Valerie is "knocking on wood" about the improvements, which casts
a doubt in my mind as to just when (or if) these changes are to take
place.
I've never argued that the conferences are a bad thing - they're one of
the best things about grex. I may not agree with a lot of things
discussed, but I am thankful that I am given the opportunity to state my
opinion. It's just that right now I consider the well-being of the system
itself is of a higher priority than any particular portion of it. As far
as I can tell, mail is hosed right now, in that I cannot receive any mail
sent from outside Grex (I'll post on system problems about that). It
often takes nearly 10 minutes for my inbox to open through pine (yes, I
know Pine is slow, but it shouldn't be *that* slow) - and I could go on
with more.
As a voting member of Grex, I cannot be asked to add more to that at the
present time. Ask again when the bandwidth does increase, and I might
reconsider.
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