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dbratman
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response 107 of 194:
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Nov 22 23:37 UTC 1999 |
Mendelssohn's "Songs without Words" are miniature piano pieces which
were highly popular in the 19th century, but are way too sugary for
most people's tastes today. The most famous, "Spring Song", has shown
up on old animated cartoons to comically accompany characters weaving
around drunk on springtime love. I've seen those cartoons a lot more
often than I've heard the piece in concert.
Josef Lanner was the first of the red-hot Viennese waltz masters. He
was pretty much driven off the market, though, by the superior product
of one Johann Strauss, who in turn was succeeded by his even more
talented son, Johann Strauss the Younger, who is surely the Johann
Strauss of the other CD, as _he_ was the guy who wrote "The Beautiful
Blue Danube", "Tales from the Vienna Woods", and the other works that
actually survive from the Biedermeier civilization. I've rarely heard
any Lanner, and didn't find it too memorable, but it could be an
interesting historical curiosity if you like that sort of stuff.
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keesan
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response 108 of 194:
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Nov 23 00:33 UTC 1999 |
'the other CD'? We are talking vinyl here. Has anyone ever heard or even
heard of Ritual Fire Dance before?
I have played Songs without Words and like them.
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orinoco
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response 109 of 194:
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Nov 23 04:22 UTC 1999 |
According to http://www.wfu.edu/wfunews/releases/092399v.htm, there is
someone named Phillipe Entremont who is a conductor and piano soloist with the
Vienna Chamber Orchestra as of this year. No idea about the piece, though;
never heard of it.
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md
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response 110 of 194:
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Nov 23 12:01 UTC 1999 |
Isn't Ritual Fire Dance from Falla's El Amor Brujo?
I'm not familiar with much Falla beyond El Sombrero
de Tres Picos, which I love, so I can't confirm that.
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keesan
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response 111 of 194:
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Nov 23 21:16 UTC 1999 |
I never even heard of Falla until running across him at Kiwanis. What can
you tell us about him (her?).
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md
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response 112 of 194:
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Nov 24 01:22 UTC 1999 |
Manuel de Falla. Spanish. Early 20th century.
Wrote some colorful Spanish-sounding music that
became very popular, including the aforementioned
El Amor Brujo (Love, the Magician) and El Sombrero
de Tres Picos (The Three-Cornered Hat). The latter
is truly brilliant, in my opinion. His name
appeared in a memorable NY Times crossword puzzle
that featured puns on the names of famous composers:
"HANDELWITHCARE," "PUTOUTDEFALLA."
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dbratman
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response 113 of 194:
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Nov 24 23:32 UTC 1999 |
CD, LP, whatever.
De Falla's "Ritual Fire Dance" is a snappy little show-stopper. Part of
a ballet, it was written for orchestra but is often arranged. I've
heard it on harp.
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keesan
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response 114 of 194:
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Nov 25 17:43 UTC 1999 |
Which composers are generally thought of as writing 'light classical'?
(I have recently seen it as Lite).
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dbratman
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response 115 of 194:
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Dec 2 22:34 UTC 1999 |
A few composers (Johann Strauss, for one) wrote only light
classics, but most of the best light classics were written by
composers who also wrote "heavy classics". Even the Three
B's, some of the "heaviest" composers of all, wrote their
share of light classics: Bach's "Air on the G String" and
"Sheep May Safely Graze", Beethoven's "Fuer Elise" and
"Turkish March", Brahms's "Academic Festival Overture" and
"Hungarian Dances". But some composers whose most often-
played works are mostly light include Edvard Grieg, Franz
Liszt, and that one-work wonder Bedrich Smetana of "Moldau"
fame. (Yes, I know he wrote lots more, but radio stations
apparently don't know it.)
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coyote
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response 116 of 194:
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Dec 4 02:53 UTC 1999 |
You musn't forget Leroy Anderson, master light classical composer and creator
of such popular works as "Sleigh Ride", "Bugler's Holiday", and "The
Typewriter".
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omni
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response 117 of 194:
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Dec 4 08:40 UTC 1999 |
And of course, the classic "Syncopated Clock" which has always been one of
my favorites.
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davel
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response 118 of 194:
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Dec 4 14:14 UTC 1999 |
Grofe ("Grand Canyon Suite", etc.)
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keesan
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response 119 of 194:
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Jan 19 21:37 UTC 2000 |
Can anyone suggest outstanding compositions by lesser-known composers who only
wrote one or at most a few good things? Something on the order of Pachelbel's
Canon, Faure's Requiem or Bizet's Carmen. A few things I ran across that I
like are Pergolesi's Stabat Mater, Borodin's Polovetsian Dances, Bruch Violin
Concerto, Enescu's Romanian Rhapsody, Franck's Symphonic Variations and
Symphony. In other words favorite pieces by not-so-favorite composers or
composers who wrote very little.
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dbratman
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response 120 of 194:
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Jan 19 22:25 UTC 2000 |
Actually most of those composers wrote quite a lot. Faure, for
instance, wrote a lot of outstanding chamber music; and Bizet's Symphony
is a delight. Borodin's Polovetsian Dances is (are?) an excerpt from a
whole opera, "Prince Igor", and two other pieces by him show up in pops
concerts a lot: an infectious tone poem called "In the Steppes of
Central Asia" and the "Nocturne" arranged from his String Quartet No. 2.
Some other purportedly "one work" composers whose most famous work I
like a lot -- these are all early 20c -- are Holst's "The Planets",
Janacek's "Sinfonietta", and Orff's "Carmina Burana". Turning back to
the late 19c, I'm suddenly flashing on "The Funeral March of a
Marionette" by Charles Gounod, now vaguely forgotten but once famous as
Alfred Hitchcock's tv show theme (I'm told). And there's a work, once
hugely popular but now entirely forgotten, "The Rustic Wedding Symphony"
by Karl Goldmark, who never wrote anything else that I know about.
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orinoco
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response 121 of 194:
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Jan 19 22:59 UTC 2000 |
Elgar's "Pomp and Circumstance march number (I think) four" a.k.a what they
play at all the graduations. Elgar apparently was a well-respected composer
at the time, but I only know his name on account of that one piece.
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albaugh
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response 122 of 194:
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Jan 19 23:34 UTC 2000 |
But both Holst and Elgar wrote lotza lotza stuff. And a lot of it I would
consider good stuff. Whether it's well known or "hits" is another matter...
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md
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response 123 of 194:
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Jan 20 19:23 UTC 2000 |
Elgar's "Enigma" variations remains a popular piece,
and much of his other music sells well enough for
the Elgar section at Harmony House to be quite ample.
Holst is less well represented, but there are still
many well-known pieces. If you've ever played in a
high school band, you probably know Holst's two
concert suites for band.
I would consider Samuel Barber a true one-hit composer,
along the lines of Pachelbel. He wrote barely 50 opus
numbers, none of which even comes close to the Adagio
for Strings in popularity. I would've said his Violin
Concerto is a close second, but really nothing comes
close to the Adagio, which, in the estimate of one man
(Ned Rorem, an envious no-hit composer) is *always* being
played, somewhere in the world, at any given moment.
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albaugh
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response 124 of 194:
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Jan 21 18:20 UTC 2000 |
You forget "School for Scandal"... (Sammy Barber)
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md
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response 125 of 194:
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Jan 21 20:35 UTC 2000 |
Really? Is it programmed much? I think
it's a wonderful piece, and was happy to see
the little oboe tune from the trio section
excerpted as a Christmas melody by John Fahey
on one of his Christmas CDs; but I didn't
think the overture was listened to enough to
save Sammy from one-hitdom.
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davel
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response 126 of 194:
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Jan 22 15:18 UTC 2000 |
Pachelbel wrote some other rather nice stuff - I heard some, all things for
harpsichord (if I recall) some 25 years ago, so I don't recall very well.
The one piece of Bruch's which *I* would pick is the Scottish Fantasy. The
violin concerto you (keesan) mention has a similar flavor, & is very nice.
I've heard other things of his which I don't like as well. (Remember, I
mostly don't like anything recognizably 20th-century ...) I also like Faure's
Requiem enough to think of it as if it were his one major piece, but indeed
he wrote others well worth listening to.
Michael, you forgot Barber's Agnus Dei (heh, heh).
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orinoco
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response 127 of 194:
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Jan 22 16:25 UTC 2000 |
Well, presumably the guy did _write_ other stuff. You don't just wake up one
morning out of the blue, write the Adagio for Strings, and then forget all
about it.
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md
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response 128 of 194:
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Jan 22 23:04 UTC 2000 |
He wrote the Adagio when he was twenty-six, as the
slow movement of a string quartet. (He wrote to
a friend, "It's a knockout," so he knew.) He then
arranged it for full string orchestra and gave it
to Toscanini, who premiered it.) There is very
little of Barber's music that I would consider
negligible; several works are masterpieces.
The trouble with his music is that most of it is a
shade too cultivated to please the masses of people
who love the Adagio, but way too old-fashioned to have
pleased the critics and academics who were hung up on
serialism and minimalism during most of his creative
life. Plus, he didn't have a "theory" or "school" or
"movement" to back his music up with; I think that made
it inaudible to people who need such things. "I just
keep on doing, as they say, my thing," he once remarked;
"I think that takes a certain courage."
The trouble with Barber himself seems to be that he was
an outspoken guy who made enemies of some
very powerful people. At the height of the Ives craze,
for example, he could've just kept his mouth shut or made
noncommittal noises to spare the feelings of the various
luminaries who were "discovering" Ives. But he said what
he thought: Ives was "a clumsy amateur." He used to taunt
serialist Rene Liebowitz by referring to him as "Maestro
Ztiwobeil," and then ask, "What's the matter? Don't you
recognize your own name in retrograde?" Stuff like that.
It caught up with him, in spades, when his opera Antony
and Cleopatra bombed at the opening of the new Met in 1966.
A *very* high-profile failure. The critics went into a
feeding frenzy; Barber sank into a depression from which he
never fully recovered.
Favorite Barber works of mine:
School for Scandal Overture (wrote it when he was 20)
Music for a Scene from Shelley
First Symphony
Essay #1 and Essay #2
Capricorn Concerto (flute, oboe, trumpet and strings)
Violin Concerto
Cello Concerto
Medea (ballet score)
Knoxville: Summer of 1915 (soprano and orchestra)
Summer Music (woodwind quintet)
Vanessa (opera)
Toccata Festiva (organ and orchestra)
Piano Concerto
The Lovers (oratorio on poems by Pablo Neruda)
Fadograph of a Yestern Scene
I would say his big-ticket masterpieces are probably
Knoxville: Summer of 1915, Vanessa, and the Piano
Concerto.
So there you have way more about "Sammy" than you
probably wanted to know.
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keesan
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response 129 of 194:
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Jan 23 18:27 UTC 2000 |
Thanks, I will try Barber and Elgar. More suggestions will be welcome.
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dbratman
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response 130 of 194:
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Jan 29 00:05 UTC 2000 |
I didn't know about those snippy comments of Barber's (on Ives and
Leibowitz, two people I can mostly live without). I think more highly
of him for having made them. Perhaps Ives would not have objected to
being called a clumsy amateur. He reveled in being a clumsy amateur.
_The_ Elgar Pomp and Circumstance march, the one everyone knows from
graduation, is No. 1. The famous part isn't the first theme, either, so
don't be alarmed when, at the beginning of the track, you think, "Uh,
oh, I've got the wrong one."
Under the title, "Land of Hope and Glory," it became a famous British
hymn, one of two to come from classical compositions of that era, the
other being "I Vow To Thee My Country" (which some may remember from
Princess Diana's funeral), which came from Holst's _Planets_ (Jupiter).
The popularity of these led to an era when conservative British
composers put wanna-be hymns in most of their compositions ...
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keesan
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response 131 of 194:
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Jan 29 00:09 UTC 2000 |
Can anyone tell me more about the following composers, all of whom died on
Mozart's birthday, which happens to also be my brother's birthday?
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From: "Morris M. Keesan" <keesan@world.std.com>
To: "C. Keesan" <keesan@cyberspace.org>
Subject: Re: Happy Mozart's 200+
Yes, Verdi died on 27 January 1901.
Other composers who died on 27 January include
1629 Hieronymus Praetorius
1802 Johann Rudolf Zumsteeg
1850 Philipp Roth
1851 Karl Moser
1904 Adam Minchejmer
1930 Jean Hure
1941 Iver Paul Fredrik Holter
1949 Boris Asafiev
1954 Paul-Marie Masson
1964 Lieb Glanz
1969 Hanns Jelinek
1978 Marguerite Canal
none of whom I had ever heard of before looking them up at
http://www.scopesys.com/anyday/ .
I recognized only Praetorius, and I recall he was born by some other name.
What sort of music did the others write?
(I will impress my brother with your answers).
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