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eeyore
response 107 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 19:58 UTC 2000

I think that that something needs to be voted on, but not the drivel that was
offered up.  So instead of everybody sitting around and arguing about it, why
doesn't somebody just write a stinking proposal?

(Yes, I know.....Meg, you said it, you write it.  The answer is no.  I've
never used scribble in my life, and could probably figure out how, if I really
needed to, but.....I think that somebody who has actually used it would
understand a bit better than myself, and should write it.  And I'm lazy)
jmsaul
response 108 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 20:38 UTC 2000

I'd repropose the original one until people come to their senses, but that's
just me.
pfv
response 109 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 20:49 UTC 2000

        I dunno' why anything has to be overcomplicated at ALL..

        Look, you have a file that holds scribbled/erased crap.
        You have STAFF you trust with the innermost perversions of your
            very email.
        You DEPERM the silly file so that ONLY staff can get at it.
        You ONLY UNERASE/DESCRIBBGLE/REPLACE a post if the AUTHOR, in
        writing, swears he boo-boo'd on.

        OTHERWISE, let the damn post be gone and those that COPY the
        stupid thing are liable, instead of grex. (let the original
        authors lawyer request the bona-fides of the copyist from grex
        staff - in writing and triplicate, already).

        This "In Search of Graven Policy" jive is ludicrous and
        counterproductive as hell. Now, if the Borg WANT to waste a week
        phrasing some funky, uniquely-Grexian "policy" for post rights,
        then fine: do it with the copious spare-time at the borgfests.

        You guys don't spend THIS amount of time with the dufii that claim
        they are grex-affiliated and such. You don't support OR approve of
        Uselessnet, yet you keep pretending and trying to turn
        grex/picospan/backtalk & policy INTO Uselessnet - what the heck is
        the MATTER with you people? More to the point, how many tapes and
        conf-archives are both saved and accessible going back how FAR?

        This ain't uselessnet, the freepress, Detroit or A2 news, the
        Congressional Journal, (this being the APPROVED & printable
        material), or the NY Times.. It's a damned BBS.. Purportedly a
        "community-like system". Geezus.. What are you all, the 500
        year-old spinster down the street that REMEMBERS all this shit?

        Lighten up a TOUCH, folks..

        On another note, I didn't like making the webside anonymously
        readable(/writable?) because I thought it would "dilute" the
        reason for a bbs; I didn't like the BS surrounding the Parochial
        Attitude of the deperming of bbs/censored; and I don't really like
        the idea of picospan/BT posts TO GREX being web-available either.

        Nothing in the past years has shown me I was "wrong", but the
        "right" part seems to be in the eyes of the Borg/staff.. <shrug>
scott
response 110 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 21:07 UTC 2000

There's a difference between "technically easy" and "good idea that we all
agree on".  As of the most recent vote, we seem to agree that we don't want
the change.
aruba
response 111 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 21:28 UTC 2000

Re #105: I don't think anyone on the staff wants to decide which text can be
deleted and which can't.  But maybe there should be some hurdles to go
through to differentiate this proposal from the last.
gypsi
response 112 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 21:41 UTC 2000

Actually, the most recent vote shows that we're still undecided.  "Agreed"
would mean a unanimous vote.  Just my two cents...  ;-)

<birdy goes back to spectating>
scott
response 113 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 22:53 UTC 2000

OK, point taken, "enough of us agreed".  :)
jmsaul
response 114 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 23:26 UTC 2000

Of course, the majority of your paying members didn't even vote, making
gypsi's interpretation pretty accurate.  Wonder what would happen if you
proposed it again.

Incidentally, since M-Net is now open to the public again, I'll be leaving
like I said I would.  I'll stick around for the next day or so in case anyone
wants to ask me something, and I'll be back if M-Net goes down again or if
Grex eventually closes that log -- but get any abuse you want me to hear in
pretty quick, or I won't see it.
ea
response 115 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 00:29 UTC 2000

I think one of the really sad facts in this whole debate is that only 
33 paying members actually took the time to vote.  We have at least 80, 
probably closer to 90 paying members, and 1/3 of them voted.  I 
seriously question why only 1/3 of the eligible population voted.  Does 
the other 2/3 have no actual interest in Grex, they just donated to see 
their name recognized in the monthly treasurers report?
orinoco
response 116 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 00:55 UTC 2000

Just the opposite, I'd guess.  Some of us donated because we want Grex to have
the money it needs, even though we don't care one way or the other about being
able to vote.  Being recognized in the treasurer's report hardly strikes me
as the sort of honor that would motivate someone with no interest in Grex to
donate.
scott
response 117 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 00:56 UTC 2000

It means that 2/3 of the members decided they didn't care.  

Now depending on which team you back, either they didn't think this was a very
important issue, or else they were somehow duped into not voting.
scott
response 118 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 00:56 UTC 2000

(orinoco slipped in)
jmsaul
response 119 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 01:00 UTC 2000

I don't think that they were duped into not voting.
gelinas
response 120 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 03:04 UTC 2000

<DRIFT>
The Ann Arbor school board's procedures allow only a member who voted with
the majority to repeat a motion.  Of course, their internal procedures do
not affect putting a defeated millage proposal before the voters again.
</DRIFT>
aruba
response 121 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 03:40 UTC 2000

Re #115:   members -v -c reports:
103 names in the voters group.

Joe - I haven't seen anyone abusing you.  Good luck over there on M-Net.
janc
response 122 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 06:02 UTC 2000

Bye Joe.  It was nice having you around again.
jmsaul
response 123 of 123: Mark Unseen   Jul 12 02:04 UTC 2000

It's been real.
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