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(<PRE>thanks for the new /c crowd, mike !\n\nwelcome, eprom !\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>Thanks, mike, and good luck with the new digs!\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>thanks, twenex, and welcome !\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>Mike, we love you! When can you start on a spam filter?\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE> Realistically speaking, not until after I've moved, and only then after\n some thought about how to make it work simply and with minimal resource\n consumption. I'm disappointed by the disk consumption problem with using\n SpamAssassin with per-user Bayesian filtering. If we expect a lot of\n people to elect filtering I'd like to figure out a Better Way so that\n we can offer it as an opt-in item in newuser without having all the\n space we save by filtering out Spam eaten up by spamfilter token databases..\n\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>Forwarding to a gmail account has been flawless for me.\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>What I would like in a spam filter are the option of just creating a file\n\(.filter?\) of the terms on which to filter, and to have the term on which\na message was filtered to be appended to the file in which filtered\nmessages are saved. I'm using the PINE filter on another server which\nworks pretty well, but also catches quite a bit of "good" mail...and I\ndon't know which of my filter terms caught it, to help me refine the list\nof terms.\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>Re <a href="read?conf=helpers&item=142&rsel=104">resp:104</a>: SpamAssassin works pretty well even without Bayes. It uses\na separate set of scores, in that situation. It's still a CPU hog, though.\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>Rane, have you tried using procmail, with a set of your own terms to filter\non? I have a log file showing which filter caught what.\n\nCan I keep deleting the .spamassassin files? \n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>No...haven't had time to set that up, since you first wrote about it.\nWhat are all your relevant files, so I can see what's involved? I want\nit to be REALLY EASY. \n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>REALLY\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>You can copy over ~keesan/mail/filter and modify it slightly, also\n~keesan/.forward. Change keesan to rcurl. Change the white list or delete\nit. Check the ~rcurl/mail/from file frequently for false positives and then\ndelete it. Email me with questions that are not universally relevant.\nSpamassassin missed one mail today, sent 'To' some nonexistent grexer. I find\nthat spamassassin together with a few 'To' filters gets everything now, but\nit is wasting space.\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>I stopped by Provide.net this afternoon. I switched the cables at the modem\nend, putting each modem back on its original line but with the other cable.\nI made this change around a quarter of five. Please let me know what effect\nthis change has had on dial-up. \(Report here rather than in e-mail, though.\)\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>Thanks joe!\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>thanks gaynate !\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>Dialup is working fine just now, but I don't recall which number I dialed.\nProbably 512. Joe, could Bill L have a try at getting the 28.8K modem bank\nto work? He has a setup that lets him test things offline and lots of manuals\nand experience with modems, and also a vested interest since grex is his only\ninternet connection.\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>It was 513 that worked. Right now both lines were busy.\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>Is there something wrong with backtalk? I logged in today, and ALL items in\nagora are now "unread". I caught up with everything on Friday, and this is\na little annoying. Help? And thanks in advance.\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>probably the file that records what you've read got either corrupted or\ndumped. Usually this is because the partition you're on filled while you were\nlogged in, so changes couldn't be saved, but other reasons are possible.\n</PRE>\n)
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(Jul 25 19:59)
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(<PRE>When I telnet from work, my paged reading of bbs items or e-mail works fine.\nWhen I telnet from home, the last line is either omitted or overwritten with\nspaces. What might account for the difference? And if I wished to treat the\nsymptom, how could I reduce my page size line count by 1?\n</PRE>\n)
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(<PRE>Sometimes I also lose my last line - I will check if telnetted makes a\ndifference. Have you tried ssh instead?\n</PRE>\n)
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(Jul 25 22:05)
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(<PRE> re #119: I'm going to guess that you're using Windows telnet from home,\n possibly on XP. And that you're using a different telnet from work --\n either using a different version of Windows or using a different telnet\n app entirely \(e.g. puTTY, or Hyperterm, or any of a zillion free or\n commercial alternatives.\)\n\n The issue seems to be that your termcap info isn't getting set properly,\n and if you're using Windows telnet it's probably not helping much.\n\n A couple of suggestions:\n\n 1\) switch to a program like PuTTY for home use, which has much\n better terminal emulation than the Windows telnet app and also\n supports SSH for more secure connections\n\n 2\) if you don't want to switch away from telnet, use the "resize"\n command to try to reset the number of lines in your terminal,\n e.g., in tcsh, csh, sh, or bash: \n eval `resize`\n \(backwards single quotes in the above are important\)\n\n 3\) try a different terminal type, e.g. use "ansi" rather than vt100\n if it works better with the terminal emulator you're using\n</PRE>\n)
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(Jul 26 03:35)
( UTC 2005)
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