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Grex > Coop11 > #255: Should we change Grex's ID policy? |  |
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krj
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response 100 of 140:
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Oct 28 00:12 UTC 2001 |
So is a passport, and at http://travel.state.gov/lost_passports_abroad.html
the issuing agency, the US State Department, advises you to have a
photocopy of the document.
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orinoco
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response 101 of 140:
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Oct 28 00:15 UTC 2001 |
For what it's worth, the way I remember it is that you can xerox money as long
as the copy is the wrong color and size. So an enlarged black-and-white
version of a $1 bill, or a shrunken fuchsia version, would be legal, but a
normal-sized greenish version would not. I also seem to remember that copying
a bill is legal if you alter the copy in other ways that make it obviously
not an original bill.
(And to stave off the obvious objection: no, Jamie, I don't have a citation
on that. Sorry. I'm just going on what I've read.)
My guess is that similar guidelines apply to driver's licences. In
particular, I think that a black-and-white grainy copy on cheap paper is
sufficiently different from a color copy on laminated plastic that you can
get away with it. If Kinko's is nervous about making such a copy, it could
be that they're covering their asses by banning things which are legal but
sketchy.
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gelinas
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response 102 of 140:
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Oct 28 02:00 UTC 2001 |
Photocopying currency is "counterfeiting", not "forgery."
Once upon a time, I read that the office of the Director of the Secret Service
was decorated with an area rug that had been confiscated under the
counterfeiting laws: It was a replica of a dollar bill. So I think it very
likely that size and color do NOT matter: If it is a copy of a dollar bill
(of any denomination) it is counterfeit and illegal.
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jp2
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response 103 of 140:
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Oct 28 03:10 UTC 2001 |
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aruba
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response 104 of 140:
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Oct 28 03:12 UTC 2001 |
Re #79ff: Jamie, the question of whether one person may buy more than one
membership was hashed out in depth 5 years ago. See item:coop9,7 and
item:coop9,80 (if you're a real massochist).
The upshot: whether or not it is defined in state law, the articles of
incorporation, and the bylaws (and when you put them all together, I think
it's pretty clear that it is), Grex policy is to allow a maximum of one
membership per person.
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jp2
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response 105 of 140:
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Oct 28 03:16 UTC 2001 |
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gelinas
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response 106 of 140:
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Oct 28 03:30 UTC 2001 |
Yup, but "discrimination" is not, in and of itself, wrong. In fact,
we usually fault folks who _don't_ discriminate for "bad judgment".
The question is merely on what grounds one judges. In this case, the
grounds are reasonable.
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aruba
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response 107 of 140:
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Oct 28 03:44 UTC 2001 |
Re #105: What do you mean by discriminatory?
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jp2
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response 108 of 140:
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Oct 28 03:50 UTC 2001 |
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gull
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response 109 of 140:
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Oct 28 13:24 UTC 2001 |
I think for something to be "forgery" you have to be doing it with the
intent to deceive.
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other
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response 110 of 140:
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Oct 28 18:37 UTC 2001 |
re #102:
Counterfeiting laws have been significantly tweaked toward the rational
since then. If this were not the case, it would be a federal offense to
manufacture those pads of paper which resemble oversized US currency.
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davel
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response 111 of 140:
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Oct 28 19:57 UTC 2001 |
Re 108: You mean that at some previous time you were doing something else?
Fooled *me*, if so.
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eeyore
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response 112 of 140:
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Oct 29 02:15 UTC 2001 |
It is completely legal in all states to make black and white photocopies of
your licence. Ask pretty much any business, as it is usually required when
you hire in. I've done calling around to my homeoffice, as well as to stores
in several other states, including MD, and all of them agree that it is legal.
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gull
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response 113 of 140:
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Oct 29 16:56 UTC 2001 |
When I was car shopping, every dealership I went to photocopied my
driver's license before handing over the keys for a test drive.
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jp2
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response 114 of 140:
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Oct 29 17:10 UTC 2001 |
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aruba
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response 115 of 140:
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Oct 29 18:43 UTC 2001 |
Did you call the DMV to check, Jamie?
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jp2
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response 116 of 140:
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Oct 29 18:58 UTC 2001 |
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eeyore
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response 117 of 140:
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Oct 30 01:10 UTC 2001 |
But apparently my own legal checking doesn't count?
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jp2
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response 118 of 140:
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Oct 30 01:15 UTC 2001 |
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aruba
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response 119 of 140:
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Oct 30 04:17 UTC 2001 |
Re #117: Your checking counts in my book, Meg. But I figured Jamie would
need to hear it for himself.
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eeyore
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response 120 of 140:
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Oct 30 04:42 UTC 2001 |
Considering how he's phrasing it online, I suspect that he will mis-represent
himself to the DMV.
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davel
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response 121 of 140:
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Oct 30 13:32 UTC 2001 |
"Hi, I just wanted to know if it's legal to forge a driver's license.",
perhaps?
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eeyore
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response 122 of 140:
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Oct 30 15:39 UTC 2001 |
That's kinda what I was thinking....
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md
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response 123 of 140:
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Oct 30 15:53 UTC 2001 |
Oh fer chrissake. I just called the Maryland MVA, as they ridiculously
call it, at 301-729-4550. The woman I spoke with says it is perfectly
legal to make an ordinary black-and-white photocopy of a Maryland
driver's license. The Maryland toll-free number is 800-950-1MVA (1-800-
950-1682), in case anyone from Maryland doesn't believe me. Now will
you all please SHUT UP?
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jp2
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response 124 of 140:
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Oct 30 15:56 UTC 2001 |
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