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aruba
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response 100 of 135:
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Sep 6 23:36 UTC 1997 |
Hmmm... I think your text is fine, Rane, except that you cut out mention of
non-membership contributions, and I'd like to see that stay in there, because
some people (especially those who aren't comfortable being validated) want to
help Grex but don't want to become members.
While we're on the subject, I think the support text is a little confusing
when it comes to being validated. It seems to imply that people need to send
in ID only if they want internet privileges, while in fact we require *all*
members to provide ID. (There is no such thing as a member without internet
privileges. I'm not trying to restart the argument about whether there should
be one - if you'd like to propose that, please start another item.) I wish
the text could be reworded to make the current policy clear, but I'm not sure
how to do that without sounding opressive.
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rcurl
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response 101 of 135:
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Sep 7 02:18 UTC 1997 |
OK. I have edited ~rcurl/support to mention both donations from members or
non-members, and to clarify ID request. Please check it out again.
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valerie
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response 102 of 135:
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Sep 7 02:50 UTC 1997 |
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rcurl
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response 103 of 135:
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Sep 7 02:52 UTC 1997 |
Aarrgghh! One person says use ~, and says use full path....what is a
beginner to believe? 8^{
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aruba
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response 104 of 135:
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Sep 7 05:47 UTC 1997 |
Looks good Rane. Can I suggest inserting the word "Random" at the
beginning of the sentence "Donations from members or non-members are also
welcome"? I think that will help to clarify what the sentence means to
people who haven't thought much about the difference between donations for
membership and other donations.
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remmers
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response 105 of 135:
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Sep 7 13:57 UTC 1997 |
Re #95: Oops, I misunderstood. Thought you were proposing a
bylaw change.
(To belabor the issue of access to the 'support' file a bit
more: Where it is now, it's not web-accessible, and Backtalk
users -- who can't do Unix commands like 'more' -- are unable
to get to it. Rane can fix this by entering, at the shell
prompt, the commands
cd
ln support www
chmod 755 www
and mentioning the URL
http://grex.cyberspace.org/~rcurl/support
in this item. (Guess I just did that, eh?) Then Backtalk users
can see the file simply by clicking on the URL, while telnet and
dialup users can still use !more.
Sorry for the digression, but now that there's a web interface
to the conferences, it's important to keep in mind that this
interface doesn't support Unix commands. It supports access to
personal files though, as long as they're in one's www
directory. People who store files online for people to look at
might want to keep that in mind.)
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rcurl
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response 106 of 135:
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Sep 7 16:46 UTC 1997 |
I have edited it to read "Donations at any time...." I thought this was
clearer than "random" (being a professional statistician...).
The file should also be net-readable now. Please check it out (I don't
use Backtalk).
Was it necessary to permit www 755? Should not 711 work just as well,
since the file name is known? I had some files in www I did not want world
readable (though they have been removed).
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rcurl
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response 107 of 135:
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Sep 7 16:50 UTC 1997 |
Heh..I just read it anyway by opening the URL. I also confirmed that 711 works
just as well, so I am 'back in business'.
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remmers
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response 108 of 135:
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Sep 7 20:43 UTC 1997 |
(Right, 711 will work too. It prevents people from listing the
the directory, but a file in it can be accessed if it is world
readable and the user happens to know its name.)
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rcurl
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response 109 of 135:
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Sep 8 15:31 UTC 1997 |
If everyone is satisfied with the proposed new wording of "support", what
is the next step in having it replace the current wording?
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aruba
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response 110 of 135:
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Sep 8 16:26 UTC 1997 |
I still think there should be an adjective before "Donations", but if you
don't like "random", I'm not sure what to put there instead. The way it reads
now someone might interpret it to be saying that membership dues are not a
form of donation. I know I'm picking nits, and it probably doesn't matter,
but lately quite a number of people have written to me asking about
membership, and most of them don't understand that we're a non-profit
enterprise. They are thinking in terms of paying us for a service. It takes
some explaining on my part to disabuse them of this notion.
Can anyone else suggest a word we might put in front of "donations" to make
it clear that the sentence is referring to donations *other than for
membership*?
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rcurl
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response 111 of 135:
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Sep 8 16:50 UTC 1997 |
I have edited /a/r/c/rcurl/support further, to attempt to satisfy Mark's
concerns. It now says that dues are donations.
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orinoco
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response 112 of 135:
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Sep 9 02:33 UTC 1997 |
"non-membership donations"?
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scg
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response 113 of 135:
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Sep 9 05:10 UTC 1997 |
"other donations?"
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rcurl
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response 114 of 135:
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Sep 9 05:57 UTC 1997 |
That's what I use in the version cited in #111. Have a look.
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aruba
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response 115 of 135:
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Sep 9 06:21 UTC 1997 |
I think that sounds good, Rane. Thanks for working on it.
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valerie
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response 116 of 135:
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Sep 9 17:13 UTC 1997 |
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rcurl
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response 117 of 135:
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Sep 9 18:54 UTC 1997 |
Thanks. I have been 'pushing' this, by the way, in order to have a form
that I can use to solicit Institutional members. I'm glad that the other
points have also been improved along the way.
(What would you mean by a "random donation"? A *spontaneous* donation? Or,
you flip coins to determine whether to donate? :))
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aruba
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response 118 of 135:
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Sep 9 23:01 UTC 1997 |
I mean a donation which is not attached to any set of effects, as are dues
and pledges and purchases in the auction. Maybe "pointless" would be a good
word. ;) I guess I was thinking of that bumper sticker which says
"Practice random acts of kindness and senseless acts of beauty". I guess the
"random" in that statement is derived from the phrase "random acts of
violence".
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orinoco
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response 119 of 135:
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Sep 9 23:24 UTC 1997 |
You hardly see people on street corners flipping coins to determine who to
mug.
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senna
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response 120 of 135:
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Sep 9 23:30 UTC 1997 |
Sure you do :) someone flipped a coin on whether to mug me just last week.
I stood up, though, and looked down at them, and a head inexplicably became
a tail. or so they said :)
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rcurl
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response 121 of 135:
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Sep 10 00:38 UTC 1997 |
A *deliberate* donation is probably more likely to eventuate (it occurring
to me that some of the recent pledges that have not been paid might be
"random donations" - i.e., chancy).
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srw
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response 122 of 135:
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Sep 10 06:02 UTC 1997 |
The use of the word "random" that Valerie and Mark espouse is
techno-jargon. Rane is discussing the precise meaning of "random". I
like both uses, but each in its place. I would vote with Rane not to use
the geeky jargon definition of random in this document.
"non-membership" donation works for me.
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valerie
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response 123 of 135:
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Sep 10 15:20 UTC 1997 |
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rcurl
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response 124 of 135:
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Sep 10 16:22 UTC 1997 |
The expression "non-membership donation" does not occur in
/a/r/c/rcurl/support.
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