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srw
response 100 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 15 19:56 UTC 1997

I'll take a look at it as soon as I can, and see if I can come up with 
something we can all be happy with. 
dang
response 101 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 17:08 UTC 1997

FWIW, I think it would be better without thw swoosh, but I like the logo. 
I'll use it either way, but I agree with Ken about the emotional purpose of
the logo for me, at least.
dang
response 102 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 17:15 UTC 1997

I've put Ken's B&W logo on my UM webpage, if people want to look at it.
http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~dang/grxlogo1.gif

I think I like to normal one better, even on the bumper sticker size.
albaugh
response 103 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 17:29 UTC 1997

Re: the swoosh, it's OK by me.  But I'd prefer it to be either straight or
at least symmetrical.  What's there now looks too much like a scribble...
danr
response 104 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 17:55 UTC 1997

If you're taking votes, I'd votes for just plain old

    www.cyberspace.org

in a big sans-serif font.  As big as will fit on a standard-size
bumper sticker.  The reason for this is that making it as big as 
possible
will make it easier to read and more memorable because of it.  imho, the
logo is superfluous to the message.
krj
response 105 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 20:31 UTC 1997

Right, but we also have an emotional desire of Grexers to put 
the logo image on their car, to say "look, I'm a grexer!"
I include myself in this too.  (I think I said this already.)
So we give up a little size on the URL, but in exchange we make the 
sticker more appealing to Grexers, so that the sticker will be
attached to more cars.
 
Has *anyone* downloaded the prototype and stuck it on their bumper,
and looked at it from 50-100 feet away?
mary
response 106 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 20 21:13 UTC 1997

I too think just the URL, no logo, would look the best
and get the most attention.  But I don't use or display
bumper stickers so maybe I should abstain.
srw
response 107 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 21 04:08 UTC 1997

I don't like the B&W logo very much. I really do like having some 
version of the logo on the bemper sticker, though. I also like the split 
black/white background, even though it was my idea. :-)

I haven't tried printing it out on paper and looking at it from a few 
car lengths away. It doesn't seem like it would be hard to read, though.
dang
response 108 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 21 19:30 UTC 1997

I'd do it, but ink is expensive. :)  I'll do it next time I'm in a lab.
orinoco
response 109 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 21 20:21 UTC 1997

To tell the truth, I don't like any version of the logo I've seen all that
much.  So, I'm more in favor of just the straight URL, but I'm also a bit
biased.
mta
response 110 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 21 20:37 UTC 1997

How are you biased, orinoco?  By not liking the logo, or in some way 
that influences your reaction to the logo?

FWIW, I like the greyscale version of the colour logo, I love the two 
tone look, and I *really* look forward to getting these made up.
krj
response 111 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 21 20:55 UTC 1997

As I mentioned once before: folks who dislike the logo can cut it off.  :)
krj
response 112 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 19:24 UTC 1997

Is there a general consensus that the design process is about done?
 
My thought about the greyscale version of the color logo:  The building 
elements look nice, but the "G R E X" letters tend to look blurry and 
indistinct.  How hard would it be to take the greyscale building and 
put some nice, solid, impactful, flat "G R E X" letters in there?
 
(Besides the bumper sticker, this would also impact my flyer and 
bookmark projects; the greyscale & shadowed letters tend to turn to 
mush as they get smaller.)
janc
response 113 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 24 01:41 UTC 1997

After our TV show, the fellow who had been cueing misti said he was a student
at Huron High, and that they could do things like bumper sticker and t-shirts
and business cards at a low price.
steve
response 114 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 06:38 UTC 1997

   Interesting.  Back when I did time there, the graphic arts teacher was
truly fantastic, and lead the students there to doing an excellent job at
the things they did.  That might be worthwhile to invastigate.  Maybe not
for this job, but if this run of stickers proves worthwhile, then we might
do it again?
valerie
response 115 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 20:33 UTC 1997

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mary
response 116 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 25 23:48 UTC 1997

I caught the 3:00 p.m. performance.  You guys were great!
valerie
response 117 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 26 04:01 UTC 1997

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mta
response 118 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 27 18:56 UTC 1997

Valerie, can I come over for a viewing?  Larry watched, but didn't tape. 
 He didn't think of it.
valerie
response 119 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 28 05:10 UTC 1997

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mta
response 120 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 28 17:06 UTC 1997

OK, let me know when.  Thanks!
ajax
response 121 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 30 02:19 UTC 1997

  Valerie suggested I take a look at this item, as I made the original
logo.  I took a few minutes to deshadow/decolor a version of the 3D
logo.  It retains some depth, but taking away the gray shadow against
the white background improves the clarity.  As Ken said, the shadow
blurs the text when printed in a small size or in one color.

  I also did a version in black and white, as opposed to using shades
of gray.  Depending on the printing technique used, you may not be
able to do very good grays, in which case the "swoosh" as currently
envisioned, and the white-to-black fade, may not look good either.

  Check out http://www.apin.com/grex/sticker.html to how they look in
modified versions of srw's gif image.  For a large GIF of the
grayscale, get http://www.apin.com/grexgray.gif, or for the black &
white version, get http;//www.apin.com/grexblac.gif.  I'd suggest
doing the final design in a higher resolution than the current GIFs.

  By the way, I have no opinion on whether or not to include the logo.
One of the more memorable billboards I've seen was simply "www.yh.com"
in big letters - the more mystery, the better!  On the other hand, the
"if you don't like it, lop it off" argument is quite compelling,
allowing the sticker placer to choose.
krj
response 122 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 30 06:51 UTC 1997

Rob, thanks!  You might want to correct those URL's, there is a "grex" 
directory missing from the greyscale and the B&W.  I'm looking forward to 
working with these B&W logos.
valerie
response 123 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 30 17:59 UTC 1997

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srw
response 124 of 165: Mark Unseen   Oct 30 18:41 UTC 1997

Of the three in the bumper.html page, I like the middle one the best.
I appreciate the improvement in deshadowing the logo text. I just didn't 
have time for that. Thanks Rob.  I like Rob's swoosh better than mine, 
too. I would be perfectly happy without a swoosh. I only did the first 
swoosh to give people food for thought. It is OK, but not essential, 
IMO. If we do go with it, Rob's is clearly better.

I don't like the reversed logo in the third image.

I picked the most effective font that I had, but I don't have a great 
collection. Feel free to try another font. I won't mind.

I agree that a higher res version should be printed out for the 
camera-ready copy.
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