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lar
response 100 of 133: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 21:07 UTC 2007

re#93
yeah, I guess spamming a board with multiple instances of the same post
isn't exactly free speech. However, I didn't get banned for it ( I got a
24 hour time from casper once) twinkie didn't get banned for it.
chamberl didn't get banned for it. The thing that got the ball rolling
looking back on it... If I recall correctly was hera threatening to call
tanis's employers about his totally alledged drug abuse. We all warned
her about it and she didn't do anything. However, it did serve to
escalate the long standing feud between her and tanis. An item voting on
the ban was started by tanis and it quickly became the hottest topic I
have ever seen on m-net. We had like 300 responses or something in 8
hours. The roots took note of the popularity of the item and the
overwhelming response against hera and booted her. cyklone is right,
someone did bring up the old refund issue but that was only an addendum
 to the item so remmers is correct. The final decision was made by a
root and not by the B.O.D. My argument was that a root should  intervene
in a fully paid member's activities  only if technical abuse is being
done by the member. Let's face it cyklone..we banned hera for content. 
cyklone
response 101 of 133: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 21:44 UTC 2007

I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that. While I don't know the terms of
the old agreement, I'm fairly certain she agreed to restrictions on what and
how she posted.
cmcgee
response 102 of 133: Mark Unseen   Nov 25 22:08 UTC 2007

Folks, this conversation does not belong in Grex's governance
conference.

Please move it elsewhere.

jep
response 103 of 133: Mark Unseen   Nov 26 19:55 UTC 2007

I was starting to wonder why Grex was discussing M-Net's policies in
Grex's coop.  I'm doubtful that most of Arbornet's Board participates in
this conference, so I don't think much is going to get decided here. 
lar
response 104 of 133: Mark Unseen   Nov 26 20:33 UTC 2007

Whatever, The issue came up as a basis to compare grex's moderated 
conf. proposal with current m-net practices as relating to free speech 
and NOT as a discussion that would effect m-net policy. Didn't mean to 
slay your sacred "don't discuss m-net in coop" cow
nharmon
response 105 of 133: Mark Unseen   Nov 26 20:38 UTC 2007

I agree with Larry. The conversation is very relevant.
cmcgee
response 106 of 133: Mark Unseen   Nov 26 20:42 UTC 2007

Starting with post 92, this topic has had nothing to do with Moderated
Conferences on Grex.  

Please stay on topic.  
lar
response 107 of 133: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 11:26 UTC 2007

In any case a grex already has somewhat of a moderated forum, does it
not? Take coop for example. The FW has cracked the whip. For the record
I want to know why #92 is considered off topic? It's off the cuff humor
but it makes a relevant prediction. In a nutshell, tod is predicting
that a discussion of moderated conferences will soon be a non-issue as
agora will probably be strictly moderated out of necessity.   
slynne
response 108 of 133: Mark Unseen   Nov 27 18:20 UTC 2007

There is a difference between a conference being moderated with
technology and one where a FW simply redirects the conversation. The big
problem is that around here, the latter takes a LOT of work and isnt
always effective anyways. 
lar
response 109 of 133: Mark Unseen   Nov 28 20:19 UTC 2007

"the latter takes a LOT of work and isnt always effective anyways." 

Especially when the opinion about a particular post (such as #92) being 
off topic is doubtful to say the least. tod does often post off topic 
but that doesn't mean every time he posts it should be considered so.
remmers
response 110 of 133: Mark Unseen   Nov 29 13:43 UTC 2007

I detect some misunderstanding of my suggestion in resp:90 as it wouldn't 
limit what people can say or where they can say it, nor would it involve 
moving or removing anything that's been posted, but then I haven't thought 
it 100% of the way through myself and in any case it would be a major 
project to implement so I doubt it'll happen anytime soon, so don't worry 
about it.  :)  (But I'll try to expand on it if there's interest.)

In the meantime - Drift tends to happen when there's a lull and nobody's 
injecting new ideas or viewpoints into a discussion.  If the Board is 
actually thinking of anything by way of conference moderation, I'm sure 
they'll bring it up in Coop for discussion first, and that will put 
discussion back on track.
lar
response 111 of 133: Mark Unseen   Dec 4 21:12 UTC 2007

this dead horse has been beat for years by you guys. nothing ever 
happens

:forget
hera
response 112 of 133: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 02:41 UTC 2008

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! I only scanned over this, but it's hilarious that all of your
cowards are talking behind my back! hahahaha!!! Especially cyklown!!! I knew
he was reading every word I write on here. This is rich. NOT TO MENTION that
way back in May, up there in response #2, someone was complaining that agora
was going downhill and it didn't have anything to do with ME. You're all such
a bunch of whiny cowards. Except lar. I have respect for lar. I also respect
those who don't join in the lynching party and hera bashfest. hahahah!
Cyklown, what a jerk you are.
Oh, and there's keesan talking about ME too! Oooh, I thought she was
FILTERING! What a fucking lying cunt. SEE? I am TOO a great judge of
character. I can spot a fucking lying cunt a mile away. ;)
hera
response 113 of 133: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 02:43 UTC 2008

re #96: AHAHA! WRONG! Cyklown is totally fucking wrong. He doesn't know
anything about any "agreement" which, in fact, there was none. Stupid asshole.
Listen to the stupid asshole, if you want "facts" that aren't true. WHERE ARE
YOUR CITES FOR THAT REMARK, cyklown? Yeah, I thought so.
tsty
response 114 of 133: Mark Unseen   Feb 24 08:27 UTC 2008


#64.93 Mary Remmers (mary) Thu, Nov 22, 2007 (09:14):
I think you've got free speech issues confused with intentional acts ...

[[...xnip...]]

But that said I'm not sure the totally open model works all that well
anywhere anymore.  It's a magnet for people with social issues.

#64.100 larry (lar) Sun, Nov 25, 2007 (16:07):
re#93
yeah, I guess spamming ......

[[...xnip...]]

Let's face it cyklone..we banned hera for content.
  

tsty
response 115 of 133: Mark Unseen   Feb 26 05:49 UTC 2008

maybe a moderated   newuser  woeuld work .... see latere item.
hera
response 116 of 133: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 01:22 UTC 2008

Retard.
hera
response 117 of 133: Mark Unseen   Mar 1 01:39 UTC 2008

re #114: You're the one with a "social issue" you skanky cunt whore bitch.
I don't see you contributing much of anything in the General conference.
tsty
response 118 of 133: Mark Unseen   Mar 2 01:59 UTC 2008

lar;s 100 wnas slighterly off ... nort 'content' raterh, ;mal-content;
  
mdoerated newsuer nad/or psoting resotrictions seemm the learst-worst chioce.
hera
response 119 of 133: Mark Unseen   Mar 7 02:41 UTC 2008

What the fuck did you say???? You retard.
madmike
response 120 of 133: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 17:58 UTC 2008

Not that I read every post in this topic but as I read remmers#85 the 
following occured to me.

What if... individual posts where rated - say, on a five star scale. 
Further if all posts were to default to five stars and as grexers read 
and rate the post would be rated to reflect the average. With some 
filter arrangement grexers could choose the low-end threshhold they 
would be willing to subjec themselves to. Of course those who "live" 
here would be subjected to everything whereas the more casual among us 
would be treated to a dialed down version, if so desired. 

Of course there would need to be a mechanism to limit rating to once 
per customer. I think a system whereby the users have a direct say in 
what we want to represent would help build community spirit. 

Further the public access portal (read anonymously) could be tuned to 
reveal 'threes or above' (or whatever.) That might intice folks to 
register and log-in to see 1.what passes for low grade and 2.perhaps 
enter their 'vote' on the topics they did view.

What could possibly be more democratic than that? 2cents << madmike
madmike
response 121 of 133: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 18:06 UTC 2008

...kinda' like cyklone was talking about in #55(?) I suppose...
cross
response 122 of 133: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 19:32 UTC 2008

Something like that is certainly possible....
remmers
response 123 of 133: Mark Unseen   Oct 23 21:24 UTC 2008

Re resp:120 - Hmmm...  I'm glad somebody is reviving this thread.  In
resp:85 and resp:88 I detailed my objections to such a rating system
and proposed a more individualized alternative that would allow users to
fine-tune their filtering to their own tastes.  Just to remind y'all.
madmike
response 124 of 133: Mark Unseen   Oct 24 01:08 UTC 2008

Thanks for the redirect remmers. I get what you're saying. Perhaps 
there could be several filtering "cliques". For example one could tune 
in using the administrators clique or the moderator clique, the newbie 
clique or the self admitted twit clique. Imagine the hoops that could 
be constructed to determine who may be admitted to a particular group.
You could collect group labels as sort of merit badges. 

You might even allow for revoking of group membership based on fellow 
cliquee votes. 'Cyber-Survivor' as it where.

For the record I think the MySpace model is okay for them but too 
restrictive for grex. 

I really dig that I can post to Coop. And I did not even have to pass a 
psyc test. ;-)
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