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johnnie
response 100 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 04:01 UTC 2006

It's fact-check time at the Sludge Report!

A while back, klg said some unkind things about Jimmy Carter, "America's
Favorite Ex-President".  He claimed his sources were Peter Bourne's 
"Jimmy Carter: A Comprehensive Biography from Plains to 
Post-Presidency", pp. 192-3, and Carter's own "Our Endangered Values",
p. 79.  Let's go to the tape:

>Carter campaigned for governor as a self-proclaimed redneck,

Nope.  Didn't do that, as far as I can tell from klg's "sources".
Actually, the Carter-authored book doesn't seem to be much of a source
at all; none of this stuff is in there (page 79 in particular talks
about prison reform and the death penalty).

>(Carter) pledged to invited George Wallace to address the Peach State
>legislature,

Carter's opponent in the governor's race had prevented Wallace from
speaking to the Georgia legislature, and had attempted to ban Wallace
from speaking even to private groups.  Carter criticized that, saying it
would mean "stifling communications with another state", and pledged to
invite Wallace to Georgia (not "to address the legislature") to make
nice.  Of course, this played well with the more conservative elements
in Georgia.  And while it may be true that Carter's campaign back then
attempted to play both sides of the street (and, gosh, no other
politician has ever done that), his inauguration speech got national
attention (and angered said conservative elements) for it's forthright
denunciation of racism.

>presided over a campaign that distributed a photo of a political
>opponent being embraced by black basketball players to a Ku Klux Klan
>rally.

Carter's opponent owned a basketball team.  At some point, there
appeared in the newspaper the typical "(black) player pouring champange
over the head of the team owner after a big victory" photo.  This photo
was included in a flyer distributed in more conservative areas,
alledgedly in part by a member of the Carter campaign.  Carter denied
then and denies now that he knew anything about the flyer. The campaign
official who distributed said flyer reportedly was known to complain
that Carter was saying too many nice things about blacks to win the
election.

>Also forgotten was Carter s statement that he was proud to have
>arch-segregationist Lester Maddox as his lieutenant governor in 1970,
>calling him  the essence of the Democratic Party. 

There's nothing about this in the Carter bio klg claims as his source. 
Instead what it says is that Carter first ran for governor (giving up
what would have been the sure win of a Congressional seat) in a
long-shot attempt to keep Maddox (or worse, a Republican) from becoming
governor, and they remained bitter political enemies even when Gov and
Vice-Gov together.  (Maddox beat Carter back then, by the way, thanks to
heavy cross-over voting from Republicans)

At any rate, come the Governor's race in '70, Carter had to make nice
with Maddox; he was on the same ticket.  He couldn't very well say,
"vote for me, even though my running mate is the spawn of the devil". 
As for the "essence of the Dem party" quote, according to Time magazine,
what Carter said was "(Maddox's) inclination to campaign directly with
the people, in the streets, in the factories, in the barber shops and
beauty parlors, represents the essence of the Democratic party." 
Maddox's campaign style, not the man or his beliefs.
 

rcurl
response 101 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 07:08 UTC 2006

I'd only repeat that Carter an Maddox were not "on the same ticket".  
They just ran at the same time as Democrats. In some other elections the 
governor and lieutenant governor of Georgia were of different parties.
klg
response 102 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 11:41 UTC 2006

Please, Johnniejohnny, it is the Kludge Report.  Let's be accurate.
johnnie
response 103 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 14:27 UTC 2006

I'm just giving the story as according to your stated sources, my friend.

>Carter an Maddox were not "on the same ticket".  
>They just ran at the same time as Democrats.

It's the same thing.  All the guys and gals from one party running at
the same time (for Governor, President, Congress, Water Commissioner,
Dog Catcher, etc) are said to be on the party "ticket".  They weren't
"running mates", true, but I just stated it that way for sake of
expediency, since it didn't effect the accuracy of the statement and
"running mate" is simpler and quicker and effectively true enough so
that I wouldn't have to interrupt the narrative flow for a lengthly and
ultimately extraneous explanation such as this one.
rcurl
response 104 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 17:51 UTC 2006

To be "on the same ticket" one would have to be able to vote for both by
pulling one lever or x-ing one box. Was that how the ballot was structured?
mcnally
response 105 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 19:22 UTC 2006

 OK, they were on the same slate.  Happy?
johnnie
response 106 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 19:25 UTC 2006

Again:  The list of all persons on the ballot, from the same party,
running for all offices from POTUS on down to township clerk, whether
you can or do vote for them simultaneously or not, is known as that
party's "ticket".  Hence phrases such as "straight-ticket voting", or
"splitting the ticket".
rcurl
response 107 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 21:05 UTC 2006

That's the convention, but it doesn't mean that persons on the ticket have
the same politics or that they like each other. 
mcnally
response 108 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 14 22:03 UTC 2006

 re #107:  Didn't you say just the opposite in #101?
rcurl
response 109 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 06:50 UTC 2006

No, you and others have adopted the convention with which I disagree, but
I stick to my original opinion. Read #107 as "that's *your* opinion.
johnnie
response 110 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 14:31 UTC 2006

>That's the convention, but it doesn't mean that persons on the ticket
>have the same politics or that they like each other.

I never said Carter and Maddox liked or agreed with each other ('cuz
they didn't).  I said Carter tried to make nice with Maddox in public to
avoid dragging down the entire Democratic ticket (aka "slate" or "ballot").

(I'm starting to think that Rane and klg are the same person--purposeful
obtuseness, head-in-the-sand arguments, love of dictionary definitions
to make a point*.  Has anyone ever seen them together?)
----
*http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=ticket
4. A list of candidates proposed or endorsed by a political party; a slate.
klg
response 111 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 17:05 UTC 2006

(Dag nab it!  Einstein there figured it out!)
mcnally
response 112 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 15 21:31 UTC 2006

 Which one is the Mr. Hyde personality?
johnnie
response 113 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 03:06 UTC 2006

I don't think it's a Jekyll/Hyde thing brought on by Rane's basement
chemistry experiments--I think klg is Rane's intentionally created
caricature of a conservative.  This would explain why klg's
pronouncements lack any real originality or depth; Rane, being a
lifelong liberal, is unable to formulate any semblance of a thoughtful
conservative argument, so he cut-and-pastes snippets he finds at righty
web sights.
klg
response 114 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 03:37 UTC 2006

(You'd have thought a guy with 2 names would have gotten at least one
brain.)
johnnie
response 115 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 16 04:06 UTC 2006

There we go--a tacit admission.  "klg" wants the reader to assume that
he is insulting me, but a closer reading shows that all he's really
saying is that one guy with two names ("rcurl" and "klg") only needs one
brain (Rane's).

Note also #111, where "klg" says, "(Dag nab it!  Einstein there figured
it out!)"; he wants the reader to assume he's insulting via sarcasm, but
in reality he's simply stating a fact.
polygon
response 116 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 22 14:29 UTC 2006

I thought I knew who klg was, and I happened to mention this to his 
parents.  Well, I *thought* they were his parents.  They denied any 
connection to him.
tod
response 117 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 22 17:19 UTC 2006

Smooth move, ex-lax!  ;)
klg
response 118 of 119: Mark Unseen   Feb 23 03:03 UTC 2006

That would currently be "parent" (1921 model year).
wilt
response 119 of 119: Mark Unseen   May 16 23:52 UTC 2006

HACKED BY GNAA LOL JEWS DID WTC LOL
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