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goose
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response 10 of 80:
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Jul 28 21:14 UTC 1999 |
I dunno, shutting down seems pretty drastic.
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mary
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response 11 of 80:
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Jul 29 00:27 UTC 1999 |
A partial shutdown is drastic but probably the
best choice of action until we can get some
good legal advice on where the board and users
would stand in terms of liablity should this law
go into effect.
This is being discussed in Co-op, items #114 and #113.
Check it out.
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remmers
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response 12 of 80:
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Jul 29 00:30 UTC 1999 |
Yes, it would be drastic. Also, I think it's unlikely to happen.
The possibility is being discussed in item 114 of Coop (item:coop,114).
I'm the board chair, so I posted a longish response there (#8) to attempt
to explain where the board is coming from.
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remmers
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response 13 of 80:
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Jul 29 00:30 UTC 1999 |
(Mary slipped in.)
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senna
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response 14 of 80:
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Jul 29 02:59 UTC 1999 |
Such an amusing slip :)
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remmers
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response 15 of 80:
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Jul 29 12:57 UTC 1999 |
(We're a 2-computer, 2-modem household, so these things happen...)
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remmers
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response 16 of 80:
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Jul 29 19:08 UTC 1999 |
I am HAPPY to announce that Judge Arthur J. Tarnow of the United States
District Court, Eastern District of Michigan, Southern Division, has
GRANTED Grex's and other plaintiffs' request for an injunction
preventing enforcement of 1999 Public Act 33.
In plain language, that means we won. The internet censorship law will
not go into effect on August 1. There will be no disruption of Grex's
services.
I think we owe many thanks to the ACLU attorneys who developed and
presented the case, and the Grexers who put a lot of work into it,
especially Jan Wolter (our declarant and witness), Mark Conger (our
contact person with the ACLU), and Mary Remmers (our press contact).
The judge has issued a 30-page opinion, which I'll post online as soon
as possible.
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remmers
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response 17 of 80:
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Jul 29 19:40 UTC 1999 |
Temporarily, the judge's opinion is available from my personal
web directory, in Adobe PDF format. See
http://www.cyberspace.org/~remmers/opinion.pdf
Not everyone can view PDF files, so I'm looking into getting it
converted to something else, like plain text or HTML. I don't
seem to have software myself that will do this.
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jep
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response 18 of 80:
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Jul 29 20:11 UTC 1999 |
Thanks, John! Interesting document.
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ryan
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response 19 of 80:
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Jul 29 23:35 UTC 1999 |
This response has been erased.
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remmers
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response 20 of 80:
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Jul 30 01:01 UTC 1999 |
Well then we'd be faced with converting ps to html, which if anything is
harder. But you knew that. :)
I think someone is doing the conversion. Hopefully a link to the result
will find its way onto the Grex 'lawsuit' web page before too long.
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janc
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response 21 of 80:
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Jul 30 03:22 UTC 1999 |
An HTML version of the ruling is at
http://www.cyberspace.org/lawsuit/injunction.html
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rcurl
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response 22 of 80:
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Jul 30 06:11 UTC 1999 |
Congratulations to Grex - and all those that put in the effort on this
action - for a successful outcome.
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mary
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response 23 of 80:
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Jul 30 11:13 UTC 1999 |
Thanks, Jan. I'll let Mr. Steinberg know it's up.
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jiffer
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response 24 of 80:
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Jul 30 12:48 UTC 1999 |
the idle buster doesn't seem to be working...
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dang
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response 25 of 80:
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Jul 30 16:55 UTC 1999 |
I have a MS Word version of the opinion at
http://www.cyberspace.org/~dang/opinion.doc
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drew
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response 26 of 80:
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Jul 30 18:41 UTC 1999 |
Is it really necessary for 8 pages of mostly doublespaced text to take up 97K?
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eeyore
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response 27 of 80:
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Jul 31 19:02 UTC 1999 |
Out of curiosity, am I the only one having problems getting on with dial-in?
I've been dialing in, connecting, and then just hangig for 5-10 minutes
before I give up and try several hours later.
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dang
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response 28 of 80:
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Aug 3 22:02 UTC 1999 |
It is if you have all kinds of typesetting information involved. Think
of it as a stored picture, and you won't be too far off.
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eeyore
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response 29 of 80:
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Aug 6 04:44 UTC 1999 |
HUH?????
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jshafer
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response 30 of 80:
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Aug 7 06:50 UTC 1999 |
Uh, eeyore, resp:28 was in response to drew's resp:26, not your res
p:27
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eeyore
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response 31 of 80:
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Aug 9 02:02 UTC 1999 |
Okey....I'm happy then. :)
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jshafer
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response 32 of 80:
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Aug 10 00:01 UTC 1999 |
(And my resp:30 showed up all on one line when I entered it...)
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remmers
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response 33 of 80:
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Aug 13 02:25 UTC 1999 |
An online vote to rescind the board action referenced in resp:7 is now
underway. See Item 114 in the Coop conference for discussion. To cast a
ballot, telnet or dial direct to Grex and type 'vote' at a Unix shell
prompt or '!vote' at any other prompt. The polls are open through the
end of the day (EST) on Sunday, August 22.
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steve
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response 34 of 80:
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Aug 14 04:01 UTC 1999 |
Grex was down for several hours (about 5pm to 11:30pm) Friday.
A system file had its contents changed, and was writable to the
world. This is of course Not Good and for a little bit I thought
we'd had a real security breach, and took Grex down.
This is of course the thing that all staff fear the most, that
someone has figured out some new way of getting into the system
and becoming root. There haven't been many times that I've thought
that this might have happened, but this was one of those times...
As it turns out, the file in question had the wrong permissions
because of the way the system booted up, and although we specified
a certain mode for the permissions (read only to the world) dear
old SunOS had a different idea. We took out the code that caused
this to happen, and all is well now.
Also tonight was the testing of a new method of dealing with
fork bombs, which is faster than previous forkbomb control--this
one should kill forkbombs nearly instantly. We tested it a bit
and its now running.
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