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Grex > Agora > #33: Where's Grex's Previous Hardware? | |
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cross
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response 10 of 35:
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Oct 6 13:33 UTC 2018 |
sun3 gear has mostly disappeared from the world; it was MC68k based;
a 3/260 probably had a 68020 in it.
RISC is a good idea. More people should try it. The more people find
strange speculative execution and other bugs in x86, the more I think
we'd be better off with a different archicture overall. Note that
RISC-V is not currently vulnerable to speculative execution attacks,
though in fairness they don't actually have a lot of hardware.
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papa
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response 11 of 35:
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Oct 7 09:40 UTC 2018 |
resp:9 Nice pics from 20 years ago.
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tod
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response 12 of 35:
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Oct 8 23:46 UTC 2018 |
re #10
Correct, 68020. It has 12 VME slots with capacity for 32MB (using 4MB
daughter boards.) The graphics board and the ethernet board were the
most exciting parts, imo. I had to hunt down an RGB converter for the
CRT which itself was almost $100.
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cross
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response 13 of 35:
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Oct 11 13:05 UTC 2018 |
32MB?! Let me put on my copy of "Flip Your Wig" and plug in a
16" black and white CRT.... Stylin'.
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tod
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response 14 of 35:
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Oct 15 16:50 UTC 2018 |
The CRT was as big as Florida
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walkman
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response 15 of 35:
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Oct 18 11:12 UTC 2018 |
#9 I'd that the 1GB drive I ended up with circa 1997? It was monstrous
and ran alarmingly hot.
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tod
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response 16 of 35:
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Oct 20 18:37 UTC 2018 |
re #15
Yes, that drive was worth alot of money to a few eastern euro countries'
agencies, LOL
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mijk
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response 17 of 35:
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Nov 22 08:03 UTC 2018 |
resp:9 I never saw these pictures or read of the pumpkin before.
Awesome! A very good bit of the Grex story, right there, in one page:
with pictures.
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lar
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response 18 of 35:
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Mar 8 20:32 UTC 2020 |
The pic of the pumpkin brings back some memories.My brother introduced me to
grex back in the 90s. I remember that article being put up on the grex website
an couple of years later. My brother passed last december so it brings back
some good memories.
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tod
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response 19 of 35:
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Mar 9 21:24 UTC 2020 |
re #18
Sorry for your loss. Who was your brother?
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walkman
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response 20 of 35:
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Mar 10 14:16 UTC 2020 |
#18 Sorry for your loss lar. :(
Good to see you back posting here BTW.
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lar
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response 21 of 35:
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Mar 10 22:46 UTC 2020 |
My brother was on here as user "tinman" from 96 to 99. He didn't post much
but was in party quite a bit. I had my first account here in 96. I got it just
after I configured my first PPP connection at 14k. Win96 was out but I was
still running win 3.1 on my PC. That OS didn't come with a tcp/ip stack so
I had to download one called "trumpet"(I think) from my ISP and install it.
MAN...I thought I was "leet" because all my friends had was AOL or Compuserv.
I eventually got to the point where I could configure a PPP connection on
AOL's backend and bybass their sodtware garbage. Everyone thought I was so
cool...and I was until I ran into the *nix bunch on m-net and grex. To them
I was a total lamer.....windows user...strickly from commerical (Frank Zappa)
LOL!.
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tod
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response 22 of 35:
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Mar 11 13:30 UTC 2020 |
re #21
Seems like yesterday
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walkman
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response 23 of 35:
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Mar 11 14:44 UTC 2020 |
OS/2 had it's own TCP/IP configuration built in rather than relying on
a 3rd party like windows 3.11.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZ1AjaNjack
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tod
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response 24 of 35:
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Mar 12 20:31 UTC 2020 |
I disdain the day that DOS 6.22 introduced the MS TCP/IP stack driver.
LAN Workplace and Wollongong 3rd party stack drivers were benign.
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walkman
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response 25 of 35:
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Mar 12 22:31 UTC 2020 |
I love talking about this stuff. Check out Adam Curry (from early MTV)
talking about his journey from building his own modem for his zx80
sinclair to using Mosiac for the first time (I remember doing that from
a floppy disk LOL) and so on. His story is interesting because he had
connections and knew people. But he talks about Gopher and Archie etc.
Fun stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFKOhvUva2Y
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tod
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response 26 of 35:
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Mar 13 04:42 UTC 2020 |
re #25
If I could go back to the days of Archie and Veronica pulling down
binaries with Z modem perhaps I wouldn't be surrounded by
"innovators" and "disruptors" whose claim to fame might be their last
potluck.
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walkman
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response 27 of 35:
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Mar 13 15:50 UTC 2020 |
Venture to a new world:
https://www.webcrawler.com/
Do the Jughead:
http://archie.icm.edu.pl/archie_eng.html
I haven't met anyone in real life that thinks of GeoCities fondly
but my first domain name was attached to one in 1997.
#biginjapan
Useless knowledge:
PHP almost destroys the ability to search the web with a Commodore
64 using Contiki and a NIC+ Ethernet adapter. It worked for a very
long time though. It is still very possible to visit a very active
BBS scene using a Commodore WiModem or NIC+ and terminal software
that is still being updated today like CCGMS Elite. Long live telnet
on 8-bit. There are even some nice 80-column C128 terminals.
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papa
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response 28 of 35:
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Mar 14 00:11 UTC 2020 |
*I* think of GeoCities with at least a little fondness. I even neglect
a page hosted on its clone, NeoCities: https://papa.neocities.org/
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lar
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response 29 of 35:
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Mar 14 21:23 UTC 2020 |
re# 25 and 26
The WWW was out when I first got on the internet but all of the old
stuff was still popular. I used archie and veronica for gopher,chatted
using IRC, posted on usenet ( and got all my porn from there) used ftp
clients to download programs. I used netscape and even ran an old legacy
version of Mosiac. of course we all telnetted(ssh)into m-net or grex.
To this day I still talk about this to the technicians I train "wellll
sonny, when I first used the internet..."
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tod
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response 30 of 35:
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Mar 15 04:01 UTC 2020 |
re #27
Archie takes patience. I almost forgot what patience is.
Thank you for putting me back on the Internet hayride
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glitch
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response 31 of 35:
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Apr 29 00:51 UTC 2020 |
Heh, didn't expect to see so much activity on this one :) Since posting this,
I have acquired a Sun SPARCserver 670MP, a friend of mine in California picked
it up and shipped it for me. Quite the beast! The Sun-provided casters of
course detonated instantly :D
At the Vintage Computer Festival Midwest, in Chicago, I got talking with a
guy about Sun and AT&T 3B2 stuff, and it turned out he wanted 3B2 Ethernet
boards, which I happened to have, and had a very complete Sun 3/160 to trade.
So now I've got a 68K Sun box. Ended up with the huge grayscale ECL monitor
for it, too, from another conferece-goer.
Picked up a bunch of Sun4 suff from a print shop (like, typemetal and book
making) in Jackson, MI last summer. I actually still support Sun4 for
$day_job, so some of it went toward that effort. The SPARCserver 670MP has
a dead power supply (bad caps) so for now I think I'm going to use one of the
Sun 4/330 boxes with the 670MP CPU board (which is very nearly a
single-board-computer).
I like keeping this old stuff alive, it's fun to hack on stuff from a simpler
time. Tonight, I'm SSHed in from an Altos III dumb terminal (Wyse WY-30 with
different ROMs) hung off my main Linux workstation :)
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kentn
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response 32 of 35:
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May 3 13:52 UTC 2020 |
That's cool. A lot of vintage stuff needs re-capping and similar parts
replacement done to get back to working. 40 year old power supplies &
motherboards sitting in a closet or warehouse or back-corner of a server
room, etc. I'm glad you are keeping these these servers working. Good
luck.
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glitch
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response 33 of 35:
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May 5 03:45 UTC 2020 |
re 32: Yeah a lot of stuff needs caps nowadays, if you get old enough into
linear supplies you can sometimes reform them, but most switchers seem to
either be fine or the caps are totally gone (usually leaking). There's a fair
bit of this stuff still doing useful work in industry -- in January I did a
SCSI SSD conversion on a SPARCstation 5 that runs a stepper, which is the
machine that patterns silicon wafers for making computer chips. The customer
had looked at several replacements from various manufacturers and decided they
really didn't like any of them and didn't want to rework their process around
a new machine -- plus they cost several million dollars. Hard disks had been
the only real reliability issue with the machine, can't fault 90s SCA drives
for giving up after living in the kinda poorly vented environment of a SPARC
pizzabox :)
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glitch
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response 34 of 35:
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Feb 24 14:54 UTC 2022 |
Not actually Grex's, but a SPARCstation 370 (Sun 4/370):
https://imgur.com/a/vqF9786
A friend traded it to me as I still haven't gotten around to recapping the
670MP's power supply. After getting the 4/370 up and going, I swapped in the
4/670MP CPU board. It shows definite signs of life but is failing some
self-tests. Hopefully nothing major!
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