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Grex > Coop > #349: Minutes for board meeting: Wednesday, July 9, 2014. | |
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kentn
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response 10 of 29:
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Jul 12 11:52 UTC 2014 |
Okay then.
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cross
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response 11 of 29:
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Jul 14 13:14 UTC 2014 |
resp:7 This presumes that conferencing should remain the focus of Grex.
But it will not. Indeed, it has not been the focus for quite some time.
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rcurl
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response 12 of 29:
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Jul 15 19:48 UTC 2014 |
Doesn't matter if it isn't a "focus" of Grex. Why can't it be just a service?
I haven't been looking for other bbses, but Grex is Ann Arbor centered, and
can host the few people that enjoy it (or might even find it useful), so why
eliminate it?
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nharmon
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response 13 of 29:
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Jul 15 21:00 UTC 2014 |
How many of the current regulars are from Ann Arbor?
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cross
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response 14 of 29:
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Jul 16 14:44 UTC 2014 |
resp:12 In resp:7 you wrote, "More (and longer) items will not be
an attraction to new users. ... It's the appearance of accumulated
old stale items that will put newcomers (and oldcomers too) off."
Newcomers to what, exactly? Grex? Again, this presumes that
conferencing is the focus of what Grex is about. Newcomers to the
conference service on Grex? Again, you presume that they're
interested in that if they're coming to it. If conferencing is not
the focus of Grex anymore (newsflash: it isn't, and hasn't been for
many years), then why would we worry about the roll rate in Agora
to attract new conferencing users?
Grex is also no longer "Ann Arbor focused." Most of the users
aren't even from the US, as near as I can tell.
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nharmon
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response 15 of 29:
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Jul 16 16:52 UTC 2014 |
Grex isn't even located in Ann Arbor anymore. :P
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rcurl
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response 16 of 29:
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Jul 17 19:58 UTC 2014 |
I've never presumed that "conferencing is the focus of what Grex is about".
But some find it useful. Why should they be excluded from it?
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cross
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response 17 of 29:
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Jul 17 20:47 UTC 2014 |
No one is suggesting that they should.
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rcurl
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response 18 of 29:
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Jul 22 18:39 UTC 2014 |
I'm glad we agree. Then it would facilitate that if items were started
automaticzlly (as well as by users), and the turn over was at least
quarterly, if not more often.
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cross
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response 19 of 29:
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Jul 22 22:28 UTC 2014 |
Oh? How so?
I don't see how the frequency of restarts is tied to the ability to use an
otherwise unsupported conferencing service. No one is precluded from it
regardless of whether the conference is "turned over" from time to time.
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rcurl
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response 20 of 29:
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Jul 23 03:44 UTC 2014 |
Users, especially new users, are put off by innumerable endless drifting
items. It is nearly impossible to find the meaningful bits of disucssion in
the midst of all the pointless babble that inevitably develops. Most
meaningful disucssion in new items occurs in just the first dozen or so
responses.
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cross
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response 21 of 29:
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Jul 23 11:30 UTC 2014 |
But we've already established that attempting to attract new users to the
conferences is explicitly not a goal. We've also established that the rate
at which a conference is rolled is independent of whether it can be accessed
if so desired by a user.
So I'm still confused by your point. The only interpretation in which it
makes sense is if you still believe that conferencing should be a focus of
Grex. But it is not, nor will it be.
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rcurl
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response 22 of 29:
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Jul 23 19:30 UTC 2014 |
You seem to not want any conferencing here. Without making it a "goal", one
can still make it more attractive for those that happen upon Grex. I don't
see that anything you say has been "established". So I'm still confused by
your objection. If you think it desirable to have a conferencing option
available here, it seems desirable to make it most useful and attractive while
not compormising any other use. But you seem opposed to doing the minimum to
make conferencing more pleasant and useful. Why?
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cross
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response 23 of 29:
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Jul 23 19:58 UTC 2014 |
I think conferencing is dead, but that's neither here nor there.
I don't care if there is conferencing here, but I don't want to
waste any time supporting it.
You seem to think that conferencing will somehow be more "attractive"
if the agora conference (and only the agora conference!) is rolled
quarterly instead of biquarterly; I really don't see how it makes
a difference. Three months or six is kind of arbitrary and our
observation (which is made watching the system over time) is that
each restart actually reduces activity.
You ask "Why?" but again, that question is predicated on your
interpretation of what makes something that the rest of us have
already concluded is essentially a waste of our time more attractive
by your definition of attractiveness, which we do not subscribe to.
Perhaps I should ask you why you seem incapable of seeing anyone
else's viewpoint on the subject.
As for my "objection", I really don't know what you are referring
to: I am not objecting to anything. I am merely making a choice
of where I think I can most profitably spend my limited volunteer
time.
You, on the other hand, have made it clear that you have no intention
of volunteering any of your time (you may consider your incessant
complaining to be "helpful" but I assure you I, and I believe others,
merely find it tedious). However, if you feel strongly that rolling
agora once every 3 months is somehow preferable to rolling it every
six months, we would still be open to acceping your volunteer time
in doing that.
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rcurl
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response 24 of 29:
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Jul 24 04:04 UTC 2014 |
I don't have the skills to do that. So I guess I will just give up since I'm
in the minority.
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cross
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response 25 of 29:
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Jul 24 11:20 UTC 2014 |
That sounds like a sensible course of action.
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tod
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response 26 of 29:
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Jul 24 18:40 UTC 2014 |
re #24
You have a knack for finding meaningful discussion items. Maybe, if you'd
like, we could setup a landing page for newbies which puts them into
a "Welcome to Grex" forum and the items in it could be ones you've linked
in as the cfadm. I don't think there's a big enough userbase in BBS
that anyone should get their dander up over such an idea.
Of course, you'd have to learn a few cfadm commands but since you brought
up the idea maybe give it a shot?
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rcurl
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response 27 of 29:
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Jul 25 03:59 UTC 2014 |
I'm closer to abandoning the bbs as almost all the sensible users have drifted
away. I've been sort of reduced to a holdout sticking around to refute the
garbage now and then. I will admit it seems like a lost cause.
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tod
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response 28 of 29:
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Jul 25 18:43 UTC 2014 |
I have old shoes just like I have picospan - good and reliable once in a
while.
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denise
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response 29 of 29:
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Aug 5 01:19 UTC 2014 |
Not everyone has completely drifted away from the conferencing Just my
2 cents.
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