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aruba
Seeking sexually explicit material on Grex Mark Unseen   Jun 11 15:35 UTC 1999

I have been charged with finding some examples of sexually explicit
matrerial on Grex which we can submit as part of our "declaration" (the
document describing why Grex has standing in the case the ACLU is bringing
against the new Michigan law). 

The law in question defines "sexually explicit verbal material" as

  "an explicit and detailed verbal description or narrative account of
   sexual excitement, erotic fondling, sexual intercourse, or
   sadomasochistic abuse." 

I'd like to choose a few items which
   1. contain content which fits that definition, and 
   2. also contain some serious discussion.
I realize it is a value judgement to decide whether discussion is serious
or not.

I picked out one item, about pornography (item:femme,34) which I think
fits those criteria pretty well.  It also has the advangtage that the
sexually explicit content in it is not gratuitous, but central to the
discussion.  I also get a kick out of the fact that by submitting it we'll
be saying to the government - "this is how *we* deal with sexually
explicit material - we talk about it, rather than banning it."

This item is a request for pointers to other items that fit the criteria
above.  I looked through the sex conference, with help from gypsi, and
couldn't find much that fit both points.  I'd appreciate references that
were as specific as possible.
36 responses total.
aruba
response 1 of 36: Mark Unseen   Jun 11 15:41 UTC 1999

Of the items I looked at in the sex conference, item:cflirt,300 looks the
most like a good example to me.  But I'm not sure.
keesan
response 2 of 36: Mark Unseen   Jun 11 16:40 UTC 1999

Try the agora items  Black, black, black.... and Right leg, left leg (or is
it left leg, right leg?), where bdh attempted to talk about his penis and sort
of got booed down.  The first item was pretty explicit.
Glb conference probably does not have anything sufficiently explicit, but
might be an example of something Michigan would try to ban anyway.  There have
been discussions of dictionary definitions, and of on-line sex, but people
tend to be rather vague about actual details.
janc
response 3 of 36: Mark Unseen   Jun 11 16:55 UTC 1999

Borderline examples might be fine - the vagueness of the definitions is such
that either organizational censorship or people's self censorship is likely
to err on the side of caution - so the Act could chill discussion even on
subjects it doesn't actually ban.

I'm especially interested in examples where either the sexual material itself
has redeaming value, or the responses by other users shows community standards
being applied to material with little redeaming value.
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