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awijaya
Lady Diana Waltz? Mark Unseen   Sep 2 02:34 UTC 1997

Hi, I read about beautiful song called "Lady Diana Waltz"
approx. 10-15 years ago from France. (R. Clayderman?)
Anyone familiar with the details?
Regard (AW)
29 responses total.
lumen
response 1 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 2 05:08 UTC 1997

I hope the references aren't to Princess Di-- I'm getting saturated enough.
awijaya
response 2 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 3 07:50 UTC 1997

Hello Lumen, I am afraid yes. The song is composed by
Olson Ervin Oscar, published by foggy river. It is 
dedicated to the Grand Wedding in 1981. I found this
song after searching BMI index. The only artist I know
is richard Clayderman. Do you know any other artist 
who play the song?
Regards (AW)
bruin
response 3 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 3 12:19 UTC 1997

Isn't Richard Clayderman the guy with the mail order albums you see on 
cable TV?
lumen
response 4 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 5 06:27 UTC 1997

Does that mean he's washed up?  (Mail order albums usually seem to be the
final insult.)
awijaya
response 5 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 14:16 UTC 1997

Hi, here is the lyric of the famous song at her funeral:
"Goodbye England's rose,
may you ever grow in our hearts.
You were the grace that placed itself
where lives were torn apart.
You called out to our country,
and you whispered to those in pain.
Now you belong to heaven,
and the stars spell out your name.
And it seems to me you lived your life
like a candle in the wind:
never fading with the sunset
when the rain set in.
And your footsteps will always fall here,
along England's greenest hills;
your candle's burned out long before
your legend ever will.
Loveliness we've lost;
these empty days without your smile.
This torch we'll always carry
for our nation's golden child.
And even though we try,
the truth brings us to tears;
all our words cannot express
the joy you brought us through the years.
Goodbye England's rose,
from a country lost without your soul,
who'll miss the wings of your compassion
more than you'll ever know."
md
response 6 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 15:08 UTC 1997

Btw, the piece the BBC Choir and soprano solo performed was an
arrangement of excerpts from Verdi's Requiem Mass.  (A the anthem
"I Vow to Thee, My Country" is set to music by Gustav Holst,
specifically, the trio section from the "Jupiter" movement
from The Planets.)
mvw
response 7 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 15:08 UTC 1997

That is really lovely..  Myself I dont like classicaall that much...
have fun folks.
**
md
response 8 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 7 11:20 UTC 1997

"Myself I dont like classical music that much" -- Sure you do.
You think the trio (ie, middle) section of the "Jupiter"
movement from Holst's "The Planets" is really lovely.  I bet
you'd like the whole thing if you ever heard it.  Give it
a try some time.
orinoco
response 9 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 7 18:23 UTC 1997

"Eww...classical cooties!"  :)
senna
response 10 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 8 00:55 UTC 1997

hmm, have to agree with md on that one.  The section he's talking about,
assuming we're talking about the same one, is great.
md
response 11 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 8 12:22 UTC 1997

But I confess I am the classical cootie man.  My goal is to spread
classical cooties -- to cootify things, so to speak -- until
everyone's infected.  
orinoco
response 12 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 9 00:53 UTC 1997

Well, as someone midway through my cootification, I don't much mind.
lumen
response 13 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 9 03:13 UTC 1997

As long as you don't *barf* infect us with the elitism of the classical
culture, I won't mind.
md
response 14 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 10 00:54 UTC 1997

I don't know many elitist classical music fans.  I do know a few who
can't stand the sound of certain kinds of popular music, but most
pop music fans I know are exactly the same.  Why is it "elitist" when
a classical music fan thinks alternative rock is dull and boring,
but not elitist when you find disco music dull and boring?
jiffer
response 15 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 13 00:26 UTC 1997

Hey, me love classical! and damn roud of my latest possesion... The David
Oistrahk 5 cd collection... i think i spelled his name wrong... its
Oistrakh.... not bad... actually QUITE FABULIOUS!
lumen
response 16 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 13 06:13 UTC 1997

Michael, Michael, Michael.  I do not speak of classical listeners-- I speak
of classical *culture* amongst its players.  Sometimes I wonder if I'm a fish
out of water here.  Perhaps if Leslie found it prudent to comment more on
performance and education, we'd discuss those topics more, and I'd have a
better idea of how many people are musicians here.  (However, I sense that
kind of slant might grind the cf to a halt for a while.)

My attitude is tainted by the egos I encountered at the first college I went
to.  Classical ensembles were at the height of a music hierarchy at Ricks
College.  To be in the symphony was to be favored, especially if you were in
the chamber orchestra.  To be in the wind ensemble was less so, partly because
the director of winds was the assistant orchestra director.  The jazz ensemble
was favored more or less than that.  Finally, at least the year I was there,
the director of winds had control of the concert band, and he tonguelashed
us so bad every day that we actually played better when he was home sick.

I also studied piano for 11 years, and I took a short look into the elite
world of the concert pianist.  I had a weird teacher who didn't believe in
music at church, and who believed classical-- baroque, classical, and Romantic
(but especially classical) music, that is-- was the only music worthy and
righteous enough for her time and effort.  I got to play ragtime and New
Orleans jazz only by request.  She also denounced pop music as 'easy
listening' and dancing as evil.

I give classical its merits, but my music tastes are very ecclectic and
quirky.  I generally prefer more complicated genres.  

I have reason to be wary of dyed-in-the-wool classical lovers as they often
give modern music the short shrift (not to mention many of my profs from the
old school who lump everything past WWII or so under the "Post-Modern"
category).

Don't even get me started about concert masters/mistresses or violin solos.
In fact, don't even get me started about..Never mind.  I am off on a tangent.
scott
response 17 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 13 12:55 UTC 1997

Check out Frank Zappa's autobiographical "The Real Frank Zappa Book" for his
analysis of the orchestra subcultures... very funny, and not flattering.
md
response 18 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 13 13:14 UTC 1997

But it's the same thing with popular music culture.  Listen to them
talking about each other.  "Elitism" is the attitude of someone who
adheres to the preposterous notion that he or she has better taste
than I do.  That's a universal definition that applies to you and me
and all of us.
lumen
response 19 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 14 04:58 UTC 1997

I will concede that MTV has been a driving force of elitism in the pop music
culture.  However, I was talking about culture of its players.  Pop stars tend
to be defiant in their elitism, while classical players are snobbish and
sometimes even haughty.  Overall, I perceive that pop groups are more
egalitarian that symphonies.  In a typical rock setup, any group of serious
players will admit that each member makes a contribution and is therefore
important, save perhaps for a lead singer that never learns to play.  I found
violinists to be snobby, and sometimes 'cellists more so.  As a tuba player,
and fitting the quieter profile, I usually found better company with the bass
players and sometimes the viola players (as they can tend to be a rare breed).

I have had mixed reactions from trombonists, who tend to be clowns, and I
found trumpet players to have swelled egos.  I found french horn players to
be just plain odd.  Clarinetists and flutists were usually mousy. 
Saxophonists were concerned with being cool, baritone horn and euphonium
players tended to be as clowny as their closest octave-range neighbors, the
trombones, and percussionists had swelled egos, too.  Their egos were usually
inflated to the "bad-ass" range, however.   But-- there was always exceptions
to every instrument.  It only seems that players of certain instruments fit
certain profiles.
omni
response 20 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 14 07:02 UTC 1997

  Hey, I used to play clarinet, and I do have a mousy personality. If the shoe
fits, huh?
senna
response 21 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 06:05 UTC 1997

The lead singer of a pop band is almost always the trademark of it.  Other
bandmembers make contributions, but the singer is what people *hear*.  There
isn't Pearl Jam without Eddie Vedder, Nirvana would never survive without Kurt
Cobain (and didn't, despite the vocal talents of Grohl).  Three of the four
members of Stone Temple Pilots have adopted a new singer and put out an album,
but they're not the same band.  However, other members can be fired or dropped
without too much of an effect.  Many drummers have come and gone, and even
guitarists and bassists ahve been known to get the axe.  But the singer is
there.

Okay, that was totally off base.  anyone else think I"m messed in the head
right now?
bruin
response 22 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 12:51 UTC 1997

RE #21 The same can be said for The Doors, which never recovered from the
death of their lead vocalist, Jim Morrison.
mcnally
response 23 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 14:41 UTC 1997

re #21:  Although you're correct that as the most immediately obvious
person the vocalist usually gets the lion's share of the exposure in a
band that's not universally true..  I can think of plenty of acts that
are counterexamples to your theory (such as King Crimson, which has had
a large turnover throughout the years, with vocalists cycling more 
rapidly than the instrumentalists, or Van Halen, who don't seem to have
suffered all that much from losing David Lee Roth..)
jurry
response 24 of 29: Mark Unseen   Sep 15 15:58 UTC 1997

?There is an album by Alice Donut (Rock) 1993 that contains song
"Lady Di". anyone have information? (From AMG).
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