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scott
Who/What Will be Remembered from the 20th Century? Mark Unseen   May 13 01:55 UTC 2000

So who or what do you think will be remembered from the 20th century?  Duran
Duran?  Yaz?  Dixie Chicks?  OK, I'm using those as joke examples.

Pete Townshend?  He's been around for at least 2 decades, and at least his
material from 'The Who" ought to stick in people's heads.

"The short-lived rise and fall of 'record companies'"?  It seems like this
century is extremely heavily influenced by technology.
34 responses total.
other
response 1 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 13 02:38 UTC 2000

over how long a period are we guessing?  as the centuries roll on, the number
of the remembered will decrease, probably reaching zero within 500-700 years.
carla
response 2 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 13 06:42 UTC 2000

Hey don't be dissin on Yaz.
gypsi
response 3 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 13 08:08 UTC 2000

I love Yaz!  But it took me forever to figure out a girl was the lead
singer...oops...
bmoran
response 4 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 13 11:34 UTC 2000

Tha Beatles. Their music still stands pretty well. Some of it is still
used in commercials, which a lot more people will see/hear than heard it
on the radio or bought the record. 
The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and Museum will male sure we don't forget
even the one hit wonders.
scott
response 5 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 13 12:12 UTC 2000

How about we say 200 years?  I was thinking about how we remember Beethoven,
Bach, Mozart, etc., but I'm sure there were hordes of other people who were
popular at the time.
jules
response 6 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 13 13:16 UTC 2000

i love yaz. upstairs at erics is a wonderful album.

i have to mention that phil collins, between genesis, his solo career and his
disney stuf has had quite an impact.


carla
response 7 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 13 16:53 UTC 2000

who will be remembered?

TAFKAP
other
response 8 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 14 06:55 UTC 2000

These stupid 'pat-yourself-on-the-back' entertainment industry awards (grammy,
tony, oscar, etc.) don't mean shit.  nobody will remeber something because
it got one of these awards, because in order to keep them happening, they have
to give out so damn many of them that they no longer distinguish lasting
quality from ephemeral popularity.

I suspect that the great classical composers of the last 300 years were
standouts in a much smaller field and a much smaller marketplace and because
of those factors, the fact that they are remembered and celebrated today
cannot be taken as indicative of any likelihod that any of today's artists
will be long remembered.

Keep in mind that the mass media of today (which created the phenomena which
these artists are) thrives and survives on the latest cool thing, and more
and more so as time goes on.  The only time yesterday is remembered is when
there is profit in it.  How many successful marketing campaigns of today use
the classical compositions of the great masters?

If the mass media forgets, the mass market forgets.  Only the academics will
remember, and only for so long.
tpryan
response 9 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 14 14:41 UTC 2000

        Since it has been a century of technology, the audio quality of
recordings has helped with rock and roll being well remembered.  The
Rolling Stones "Satisfaction" again being toted as the best Rock and Roll
song ever is one point.  It is 35 years old.  It has survived well, partly
because the recording is close in audio quality to what is produced today.
Whereas, a 1930 era recording of 'Lucky Lindy' listened to 35 years later
in 1965, just did not make the audio grade.
        The other part of remembering is by the way music broadcasting
first began.  The concept of "Those Oldies but Goodies" did not become 
part of broadcasting music until near 1959.  Before that, it really was
just "Your Hit Parade"...today's music.  Any song remembered in 1939 was
a 'remake', usually by someone else.

        I would have so many names to be remembered, but I'll only 
add Hank Williams here.  His songs will be rediscovered and re-done
for many years.  Some may even enjoy the poor-fideltiy originals a 
hundred and fifty years in the future.
scott
response 10 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 14 15:53 UTC 2000

What will happen when the people who really grew up with, say, the Rolling
Stones are dead?  Will the music still have much popularity?  

Perhaps the big thing from this century will be the switch from sheet music
to recorded music.  I'm more curious which musicians will "stick".
bmoran
response 11 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 14 21:51 UTC 2000

My nephew and his friends were all into the Doors and the Stones and Zappa
in late high school and early college. Seems to be a phase they went
through. But they remember. Patrick's eight and learning Beatles songs on
his guitar, and watches Yellow Submarine on video. I suppose that as long
as there are anniversaries (25th, 50th, hundredth) some wag will write a
story about the old guys, Rhino will re-release some new version of an
oldie, and they'll remember.
jules
response 12 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 15 02:27 UTC 2000

i think some of us pass along the good stuff.
brighn
response 13 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 15 13:30 UTC 2000

How many of the "legends" of the 20th Century are already being forgotten?
The only 20th Century song that will be part of the social lexicon in 2200
willbe "The Girl from Ipanema," because it'll still be playing in elevators
everywhere. =}
mcnally
response 14 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 16 18:54 UTC 2000

   All of you who are standing up for Yaz, have you listened to any lately?
   I greatly enjoyed "Upstairs at Erics" in the late 80's, but hadn't
   listened to it in a loooong time.  Came across it about two months ago
   in my record collection and gave it a spin.  Whooo has that album aged,
   and not particularly gracefully.  
jules
response 15 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 16 19:39 UTC 2000

i listen to it sometimes, and i still like it.....
brighn
response 16 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 16 22:34 UTC 2000

I heard "Situation" on the radio recently, enjoyed it. 
There are tracks on the Yaz albums that sound childish now, but only because
they were innovative then, and the innovations have developped. The straight
up pop songs ("Situation" and "Don't Go") are still fine.
dbratman
response 17 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 17 17:59 UTC 2000

How about the greatest classical composer of the 20th century?  Fifty 
years ago there were people saying the greatest, or at least most 
influential, composer would be Schoenberg, because his twelve-tone 
system was taking over the classical planet.  (And contributing mightily 
to the rise of high art in popular music, as both musicians and 
audiences deserted the twelve-tone academy in droves.)  Fortunately 
twelve-tone turned out to be a dead end, so he's out.

The usual candidate is Stravinsky.  But though certainly very 
influential, his music has not worn equally well, and I can't believe 
"greatest" of a composer whose place in the repertoire is so spotty.

My candidate?  Shostakovich.  His music is profound, beautiful, highly 
varied, always of high quality except for some designated hackwork (and 
even Beethoven and Mozart had designated hackwork), and has been rising 
in tremendous popularity ever since Volkov's _Testimony_ made people 
feel it was politically OK to like it.

It's a big change.  35 years ago, the statement that Shostakovich would 
be a plausible candidate for greatest composer of the century would have 
been greeted with total incredulity.  But I admired him then as much as 
now, and am pleased that he's coming into his own.
raven
response 18 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 17 18:47 UTC 2000

I think there will be muscians recognized in all catagories many decades
to come from the 20th century.  Coltrane & Miles Davis in Jazz, Bartok and
Stravinsky in Classical, The Beattles, Bob Dylan (at least) in Rock/Pop.
Hank Williams in Country.  Probably many more but these artist at least I
thnk will have their recording preserved in whatever digital medium is
the format of choice in the future.  Actually I would add Duke Elington
and Public Enemy to that list as well.  I think an intersting question
is about women in music in the 20th century.  Will Joni Mitchell and
Bessie Smith be part of the archive or has the patriarchy still pushed
woman muscian to the margin?  Also how about world music such as Balinese
Gamelan, the African Drummer Olitugi, etc.  Perhaps the late 20th century
will be remebered as the time of global musical awareness?
brighn
response 19 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 17 19:44 UTC 2000

The Greatest Classical Composer of the 20th Century?
You're gonna slap me, but I'd say the one who most aptly combined the musical
trend of the 20th Century -- popular music -- with classical techniques. That
would be John Williams.

He created a few of the most recognizable classical themes of the 20th
Century, if nothing else -- the duh-DUM duh-DUM duh-DUM of Jaws and the
inspirational themes of Star Wars.

My favorite composer (and this shows how much of a simpleton I am) is probably
Prokofiev. =}
orinoco
response 20 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 17 20:51 UTC 2000

I don't think popular music is such a uniquely-20th-century trend.  They just
used to call it "folk music" or "dammit, the peasants are making that infernal
noise again" or some such.  Most composers of any time period -- and
especially those who wrote dances -- have been inspired by the popular music
of their day.

Now, you could make a pretty good case for the pop music _star_ as unique to
the 20th century.  In which case, the Greatest Classical Composer of Our
Century should be Michael Daugherty, composer of "Dead Elvis" and "Sinatra
Shag."
lumen
response 21 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 17 21:42 UTC 2000

I'll agree with the Beatles, the Doors, the Stones, and Zappa-- 
probably more so the Beatles and Zappa.  resp:11 Yes, we do remember-- 
there's just something about these artists kids like.  It seems most of 
the music department here reveres Zappa as some sort of god.  But I 
should note that Zappa is a music satirist, and his book was actually 
quoted by my music aesthetics professor.  I remember his writings have 
been discussed elsewhere in this conference.  Remember, we have noted 
elsewhere that musicologists have begun to consider the Beatles, and 
some music history textbooks-- at least the music appreciation ones-- 
have included the Beatles.

Hank Williams is considered a pioneer in the country-western genre, and 
if the medium continues to survive (as it has been heavily mixed with 
pop, R&B, and rock), then he will likely be noted.

John Williams?  Yes.  I think Paul said it well.  He's been compared 
with Gustav Holst, who *does* have a place in music history and 
musicological texts, and he was even asked to write a piece for Pluto 
to complete _The Planets_.  Go ahead, give it a listen-- Williams was 
*strongly* influenced by him.

I feel like I'll likely keep tabs on this.
sspan
response 22 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 20 09:40 UTC 2000

I thinkit willbe the disco song that refuses to die.. Shake Your Groove Thing.
jor
response 23 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 20 12:53 UTC 2000

        more votes for Stravinsky, Prokofiev, Shostakovich
other
response 24 of 34: Mark Unseen   May 20 16:35 UTC 2000

Scriabin.  Love that synaesthesia (sp?) thing.
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