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omni
The top 100 rock acts of all time. Mark Unseen   Apr 5 06:56 UTC 1998

   VH-1 just did an interesting program-- The top 100 rock acts of all time.
It was entertaining, but way way wrong.

  Stevie Ray Vaughan in my opinion was rated way too low, at 60 something and
Buddy Holly was rated at 35, and imnsho, should have been in the top 20.
 But what makes me p.o ed at the darn thing was the top 5.

  Bob Dylan
  Led Zeppelin
  Jimi Hendrix
  The Rolling Stones
  The Beatles.

 They put Dylan at 5, and the Beatles at 1, which is stupid, because I think
the order should have been--

  Led Zeppelin
  Jimi Hendrix
  The Beatles
  The Rolling Stones
  Bob Dylan.

  Why? I think Dylan is, was and will be rock and roll. He defined the music
and the generation. Maybe I'm crazy, but that's how I feel. 

What do you think? How should the top 5 be ordered? Am I out of my mind?
48 responses total.
senna
response 1 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 5 07:19 UTC 1998

Looks right to me.  They're undervaluing recent and current bands, but that's
okay.  Beatles are, in my mind, unquestionably the greatest band in rock and
roll history.  Their popularity and endurance were and are unmatched.  Bob
Dylan is great, but he never owned rock and roll the way the Beatles did. 
I might flip him with Hendrix, but the others seem correct.  Excluding current
bands, of course.
senna
response 2 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 5 07:20 UTC 1998

Is there anywhere I can find the full list?  
aruba
response 3 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 5 07:22 UTC 1998

Ummm... Elvis?  Why isn't Elvis on the list?  He had over 100 top 40 hits and
18 number 1s.  How can he not be in the top 5?
dadroc
response 4 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 5 14:18 UTC 1998

Elvis must be there. Led Zeppelin is hardly the best rock band ever. Great
performances no doubt. The top does not look bad to me. Dylan should get
repsect.
omni
response 5 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 5 17:57 UTC 1998

 Elvis came in at #6. Personally, I don't think he was all that much of
anything. What he was, was oversold. Tom Parker kept Elvis in the forefront
even when his records weren't selling very well. 

  I would think you could find the list on VH1's website.

  Dylan should have been at least #3. There is no way that Hendrix had a
greater impact than Dylan. 

  The list was flawed. I mean, they included T-Rex, and Kiss. What the hell
was that about? I think also that The Who is a whole lot better that Led
Zeppelin.
tpryan
response 6 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 5 22:45 UTC 1998

        The Beatles owned the pop charts for so long.  They took America
by storm at a time when it needed to be rescued from it's duldrums:
remember, with the death of JFK on Nov 22nd, 1963, America was in a 
funk, with very low creativity.  A look at what was happening in 
Britian was very timly.  As the Beatles continued <group>-mainia
was defined for that generation.  From a band and other band that
put out an album with the big hit, the current hit, the next release
and  9 cover tunes to a band that had 12 original tunes on each 
album changed music.  The idea of a 'concept' album, made popular
by the Beatles changed the music.  The idea that the main performance
was on the album, not the live performance, changed the music.  To 
still sound fresh 35 years after their inital popularity is greatness.
        The Rolling Stones filtered many American Rhythm & Blues, 
Blues, and Soul tunes/music into rock & roll and made it popular
in Britian, and resold it to America.  Thier 'high production'
albums (Beggars Baquet, Satanic Majesties Request) are rock sympohonic
in my book.  It helped changed what rock & roll can be.  The Rolling
Stones have endured over 35 years, though I think they have gathered
some moss.  Also could not be #1, because they did bow down  to the
Disco gods to keep popular in the Disco Era.
        Bob Dylan proved that the singer/songwritter can be popular
in America.  Not only did others wish to sing his songs, putting their
own style on them, the Dylan versions are also revered.  Dylan came
from the heritage of American folk music, and took that to a rock
audience, giving it a new sound.  He helped make the 60s protest
songs popular hits.
        Jimi Hendrix did not know their was boundries to rock & roll.
We seen him as pushing quite a few.  An amazing new voice/sound at 
his time.  If Hendrix did not experiment with music/sound, then others
might not have either.
        Led Zepplin took rock & roll back to the live performance,
Great records too.
        Elvis changed music, helping to provide a niche for this 
new American music, Rock & Roll.  The -mania for the 50s.  Though
he wrote very little of what he performed (or recorded), his visual
performance excited the fans.   [There was a lot of tunes that Elvis
learned long enough to only record them for the current album, a 
practice common in his day].

        Thats my Top 6 from their top 6.

        Hillary Booth did a good job of narrating it too.
senna
response 7 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 5 23:31 UTC 1998

I wonder where Pink Floyd rates in all of this.  And, (returning to this one)
modern bands.  R.E.M.  U2.  Alternative groups.
omni
response 8 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 01:40 UTC 1998

  R.E.M wasn't mentioned, but U2 was. So was Pink Floyd, I think they were
something like 18 or something.
mcnally
response 9 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 04:58 UTC 1998

  I'll be forgetting this item shortly since I tend to find things
  like "100 best ..." lists ridiculous, but one thing that should
  perhaps be mentioned is the method used to arrive at the list.
  If the deluge of articles in Usenet music groups is more or less
  correct the list was compiled from the votes of musical artists
  who have appeared on VH-1 in the fairly recent past -- one can
  easily see how that selection process would seriously skew the
  results.
omni
response 10 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 06:08 UTC 1998

  Actually Mike, The intent of this item was to discuss the impacts of the
top 5, rather than to have people list them as to thier opinion. I didn't
intend for this item to become a list item.
  Please hang around and discuss.
krj
response 11 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 06:23 UTC 1998

   ((( spring '98 agora #46  <--->  music #123 )))
cyklone
response 12 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 13:31 UTC 1998

Re Zep and Hendrix: Both can actually be traced to the Yardbirds, so they
should be replacing the other two on the top 5. In fact, the Yardbirds
launched the careers of Jimmy Page, Eric Clapton and Jeff Beck. In
addition, other British rockers also have indirect connections to the
Yarbirds, such as Rod Stewart and the Who. So IMHO, the omission of the
'birds was a farce.

FWIW, few people are aware how much Hendrix was influenced by Jeff Beck,
who in my mind is the true father of the guitar style now attributed to
Hendrix (who I still consider a genius in his own right). Also, someone
said earlier that the Stones lost out due to their refusal to "bow down"
to the Disco Gods. Not true; who can forget the awful "Some Girls" album. 
And "Miss You"  (actually a pretty decent song for the style) has become a
club classic and is periodically remade by other artists. 

tpryan
response 13 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 6 16:53 UTC 1998

        I said they did bow down to...
cyklone
response 14 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 00:48 UTC 1998

Oops, my bad . . .
mcnally
response 15 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 02:56 UTC 1998

 re #10:  I wasn't talking about the "list item vs. discussion item" thing
 when I said I felt "100 best X" lists were ridiculous, what I meant was that
 in my opinion the lists themselves reveal very little about the merit or
 influence of the things they're trying to rate and say a lot more about
 the popularity of the choices..
bru
response 16 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 03:47 UTC 1998

What about Woodie Guthrie and Pete Seeger?
cyklone
response 17 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 7 09:47 UTC 1998

In terms of influence on rock, I think Dylan has those two beat hands down.
As far as any influence they may have had on Dylan himself, I can't say.
lumen
response 18 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 9 23:25 UTC 1998

My understanding was that musicians themselves had voted..
tao
response 19 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 10 19:00 UTC 1998

Yep, gotta have The Who, Pink Floyd, and David Bowie in the top
20 at the very least.  And Chuck Berry!
cyklone
response 20 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 13:18 UTC 1998

Is someone going to print the list? Maybe break it into quarters for ease
of reading . . . . I'd be real interested to know if the following made
it, and if so, their rank: Neil Young/Crazy Horse, Lou Reed/Velvet
Underground, The Stooges, The MC-5, The Doors, The Ramones, The Sex
Pistols, Jeff Beck/Yardbirds and Alex Chilton (I forget his bands).

cyklone
response 21 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 13:22 UTC 1998

 . . . and Zappa!
bruin
response 22 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 14:37 UTC 1998

RE #20 Alex Chilton was originally with the Box Tops.  "The Letter" and 
"Cry Like A Baby" were their biggest hits.
ric
response 23 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 15:22 UTC 1998

I just went to VH1's web site and because it is so poorly designed, I was
unable to find the list easily.  I had sites that aren't easy to navigate.

I wondered where Pink Floyd was myself.
johnnie
response 24 of 48: Mark Unseen   Apr 11 15:54 UTC 1998

Here is the complete and official list of the "100 Greatest Artists
of Rock & Roll", "selected by a jury of their peers--over 600 artists
were polled."  (from the VH1 web site)   I've been trying to post this
for some days now, but I keep having problems with my connection or 
something...

1) Beatles 2) The Rolling Stones 3) Jimi Hendrix 4) Led Zeppelin
5) Bob Dylan 6) James Brown 7) David Bowie 8) Elvis Presley
9) The Who  10) The Police  11) Stevie Wonder 12) Ray Charles
13) The Beach Boys 14) Marvin Gaye 15) Eric Clapton 16) John Lennon
17) Elton John 18)Prince) 19) Pink Floyd 20) The Doors
21) Aretha Franklin 22) Fleetwood Mac 23) The Eagles 24) Bob Marley
25) Van Morrison 26) Chuck Berry 27) Bruce Springsteen
28) Sly & The Family Stone 29) U2 30) Neil Young 31) The Clash
32) Joni Mitchell 33) Queen 34) Buddy Holly 35) Otis Redding
36) Little Richard 37) Al Green 38) Elvis Costello 39) Miles Davis
40) Michael Jackson 41) Janis Joplin 42) Nirvana 43) Tom Petty & The
Heartbreakers 44) The Jackson Five 45) Crosby, Stills & Nash
46) The Sex Pistols 47) Creedence Clearwater Revival 48) Van Halen
49) Roy Orbison 50) R.E.M. 51) B.B. King 52) Cream
53) Peter Gabriel 54) The Grateful Dead 55) The Byrds 56) The Kinks
57) Steely Dan 58) Sam Cooke 59) Bo Diddley 60) Earth, Wind & Fire
61) Smokey Robinson 62) Paul McCartney 63) Sting 64) Frank Zappa
65) James Taylor 66) Talking Heads 67) Kiss 68) The Allman Brothers
69) Pretenders 70) Stevie Ray Vaughan 71) Rod Stewart
72) Simon & Garfunkel 73) Muddy Waters 74) The Velvet Underground
75) Curtis Mayfield 76) The Bee Gees 77) John Coltrane
78) Billy Joel 79) Aerosmith 80) Tina Turner 81) The Band
82) Devo 83) Iggy Pop 84) T-Rex 85) Carole King 86) Madonna
87) Santana 88) Ramones 89) Johnny Cash 90) Tom Waits
91) Gladys Knight & the Pips 92) The Tempations 93) The Four Tops
94) Diana Ross & The Supremes 95) Robert Johnson 96) Lynyrd Skynyrd
97) Fats Domino 98) Traffic 99) Parliament-Funkadelic  100) Paul Simon

...And I should point out that Miles Davis, John Coltrane, and Johnny
Cash are by no stretch of the imagination "Rock&Roll".  And somebody's
smokin' something if Chuck Berry and Buddy Holly are down at 26 and
34.  Many of these acts would not exist it were not for Berry and Holly,
most particularly the Beatles, who even got their name from Holly.
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