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mcnally
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Musical Instruments and the Sounds They Make
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Dec 2 07:41 UTC 1997 |
What instrument sounds do you like? Which don't you like?
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mcnally
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response 1 of 31:
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Dec 2 07:48 UTC 1997 |
Despite the eternal jokes about the accordion and bagpipes I
find both of those instruments quite listenable compared to my
musical nemesis -- the saxophone <shiver>. I just can't stand
the sound of a saxophone -- for some reason it really bugs me
the way many people claim to be bugged by bagpipes. I guess I
don't much care for the clarinet, either (a response in item 1
from a clarinet player reminded me that I've been meaning to
enter this item.)
I can understand, I guess, what it is that people don't like about,
say, bagpipes, because I find in general that I don't usually like
the sounds made by reeded instruments. I tend to like the sound of
stringed instruments (especially the cello, bass, acoustic guitar,
and piano in that order.) I also like the lower-pitched members of
the flute and recorder families though I could do without the piccolo
and the tin whistle.
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rcurl
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response 2 of 31:
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Dec 2 19:58 UTC 1997 |
Is it your politics that make you not like the saxophone? 8^}
If there is an instrument whose sound I "can't stand", it would be
fingernails on a chalkboard. B=P
You must have a problem with higher harmonics, which reed instruments
are rich in and stringed instruments are poorer in. That should tell
us something about your nervous system - I bet *you* don't like fingernails
on chalkboards.
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mcnally
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response 3 of 31:
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Dec 2 22:14 UTC 1997 |
I definitely don't like chalk on a blackboard, but then who does?
I don't know, do other people also strongly dislike the sound of
particularl instruments (not necessarily the same ones..) or am I
unusual in that respect?
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orinoco
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response 4 of 31:
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Dec 3 00:31 UTC 1997 |
I think any instrument works in some context. For instance, I find the flute
to be irritating in bebop-type jazz, but in classical or calypso it works just
fine. Meanwhile, the soprano sax works great in bebop and badly in calypso.
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agent86
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response 5 of 31:
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Dec 3 00:53 UTC 1997 |
Heh. The flute always puts me to sleep. Which isn't very good as that is one
of the instruments I play ;)
About that "higher harmonics" thing: that could well be true. The airline
induustry did a study a while back to determine what it was about jet engines
that people didn't like the sound of, and their psychologists determined it
was the high freq harmonics that made people envision nails screeching down
chalkboards...
I am not to fond of the Sax either (at least most of the time I'm not), but
I thing this is because of the connotations that the sax has in my mind now
(ie. its always used as the instrument of choice in cheesy movies/ads/shows)
and not because of the instrument itself...
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omni
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response 6 of 31:
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Dec 3 05:46 UTC 1997 |
I love the golden tone of a well played trumpet, flugelhorn, and cornet,
I also love the reeds, especially the clarinet, the oboe and the english horn.
Bagpipes, when playing something melodious, are wonderful, however they can
easily annoy, and make the hair on the back of my neck stand up. I also love
a well played electric guitar in the hands of a person like Jimi Hendrix or
better yet, Stevie Ray Vaughan
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robh
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response 7 of 31:
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Dec 3 12:46 UTC 1997 |
<robh wonders what mcnally would make of Kenny G playing a single
note on his sax for 45 minutes straight >8) >
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mcnally
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response 8 of 31:
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Dec 3 16:33 UTC 1997 |
At some point while he was concentrating on his "circular breathing"
he'd realize that he was in the process of swallowing a tenor sax..
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anderyn
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response 9 of 31:
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Dec 3 17:06 UTC 1997 |
Me, I love the pipes. They are the BEST. Second best are fiddles.
Third best , probably guitar/piano/accordion. The bombarde (a Breton
instrument that makes a very distinctive droning sound) is another
personal favorite.
I also tend not to like saxophone, trumpet, or that brass side
of the band. Most stringed instruments are cool, and I really
adore organs and hammered dulcimer, but I would have to say that
this is probably why I like folk music so much -- they normally use
the instruments that resonate best with my liking for certain sounds.
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teflon
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response 10 of 31:
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Dec 3 20:11 UTC 1997 |
Are we excluding the human voice here? If so, I'd have to say that a well
played fiddle is one of my favorites, that and steel drums...
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orinoco
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response 11 of 31:
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Dec 4 02:41 UTC 1997 |
Well, I actually like to listen to the sound of a single sustained note. Try
it sometime with a well-tuned piano - hold the sustain pedal down, hit a
single note, and listen to the vibrations die away. It's fascinating how much
detail there is in a single note that nobody hears.
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void
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response 12 of 31:
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Dec 4 05:59 UTC 1997 |
piccolos get a bit too shrill for my comfort sometimes, but other
than that i can't really think of an instrument whose sound i dislike.
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goose
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response 13 of 31:
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Dec 4 17:19 UTC 1997 |
I like the flute in a jazz context. I find no use, whatsoever, for the
soprano sax. Even good players can't make me like it, and I have tried to
like it. Wooden flutes in jazz, ala Roland Kirk, are even better.
I love the electric guitar. Period.
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lumen
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response 14 of 31:
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Dec 5 02:41 UTC 1997 |
Edwin E. Gordon, a string bassist, developed a timbre test to determine
students' affinity for particular instruments. The concept is simple.
Students will listen to a series of timbres and frequencies and choose which
combination they like best. Their selections will often match them to the
instrument they prefer.
I used to be more enchanted with the sound of the piano than I am now.
I, too, began to develop a taste for instrumental applications-- piano often
sounded best with Romantic and Impressionist compositions with big, rich
chords. There is a Romantic style that is very, very simple, but I can't
remember the name of the composer who invented it. If somehow I could sing
it, someone would recognize the style.
Right now, I love my classical guitar. I love the sound of classical and
flamenco styles for guitar. I love it because guitar has such a great
potential to sound lovely even with simple compositions, often much more so
than the piano. (Perhaps it is the charm of learning a new instrument; the
guitar is my fifth.)
I love most all instruments, but I especially love synthesizers because the
sounds are newer, more flexible in their parameters, and more varied.
Percussion applications were never the same once electronic music began to
grow and develop.
It is not so much individual instruments that bother me; it is how they are
used. There is a big percentage of orchestral music that would put me to
sleep after a while (I'm conditioned to splashier music and I can only take
dominance of violins in the melody for so long). I hate cheesy MIDI
soundtracks for cartoons-- in general, anyways.
In short, I'm a demanding listener, performer, and educator. I don't like
to listen to, play, or teach music that is overwhelmingly ordinary. And yes,
I could say I have my preferences to where and how an instrument or voice is
used.
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tpryan
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response 15 of 31:
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Dec 5 23:47 UTC 1997 |
One of the sounds I dislike is guitar neck noise. Such as the
slide for making bar chords zipping across the steel string. Doesn't
work for me too often. I would just wish that the guitar was not
miked to pick up that sound, or the performer would have more pride
inthe sound made from the box instead of the neck & fret board.
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lumen
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response 16 of 31:
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Dec 7 00:33 UTC 1997 |
There are times that a slide sound is appropriate. But as I understand it,
all of that is just sloppy playing. I haven't been playing long at all, but
I do know that good technique involves picking up the fingers slightly from
chord to chord.
Slide technique is pretty common in rhythm guitar, and I'm not sure what those
guitarists do to keep the strings from squeaking too much. I do know blues
guitarists use a metal finger guard.
I agree-- simply sliding over the neck and frets isn't very toneful. But
there must be a creative way to work it into amp distortion and the like--
it would probably be better if it wasn't abused so much..
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scott
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response 17 of 31:
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Dec 7 14:38 UTC 1997 |
I find my perception of instruments is shaded more by what musicians do with
the instrument than the actual sounds. For instance, I like reed organ better
than saxophone, since I'm sick of Kenny G and all his slick-sounding
contemporaries, but I *love* stuff I've heard Tom Waits play on old reed pump
organs.
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orinoco
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response 18 of 31:
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Dec 7 14:44 UTC 1997 |
There are times when string sounds aren't really appropriate, especially in
a very 'rich', heavily produced song where they just sound wrong. But in a
sparser, acoustic setting I actually like them a lot.
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lumen
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response 19 of 31:
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Dec 8 06:36 UTC 1997 |
Much to think about. Reminds me of the time I was studying MIDI and happened
to stumble on the trance form. I used a "clock" sound and whatever sounded
good with it in a quick arrangement of DM's "Strangelove" (just a segment).
I used a digital reverb/flanging machine-- chose the looping flange.
It was cool-- kinda sounded like it was underwater.. I was unhappy I didn't
figure out how to put bubble and submarine sounds to it. My teacher asked
me what was going through my head. I wasn't on good terms with him in my
theory class and I mistrusted him, so I wouldn't tell him ;>
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orinoco
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response 20 of 31:
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Dec 8 22:31 UTC 1997 |
Hmm...do you have a tape of that still or something? It sounds interesting...
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lumen
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response 21 of 31:
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Dec 9 01:34 UTC 1997 |
Dammit, I don't! That fucking teacher lost it.. I was foolish enough not to
ask for it immediately after the project was done. I asked a little bit
later, and he'd misplaced it. It had a couple of my other MIDI projects,
including an audio project called "Dragon Vader." (I was fooling around with
a friend-- we were doing overdubs to DM tunes. We came to "I Want You Now"
from _Music For The Masses_ and he started breathing heavy into the
microphone. He said, "You are my son, Luke," and I yelled in the background,
"No, Father-- never!" Since his breathing sounded like dragonfire, I dubbed
it again, editing it so that there was a 'blast' immediately after my
outburst-- seeming as though I'd been roasted :> )
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orinoco
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response 22 of 31:
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Dec 9 22:03 UTC 1997 |
<grin>
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lumen
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response 23 of 31:
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Dec 9 23:57 UTC 1997 |
Yes, I definitely need to get into MIDI again sometime in the future.
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font
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response 24 of 31:
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Dec 10 03:51 UTC 1997 |
Well, in keeping with the topic, I must say that the sound depends on the
context. For example, I have heard otherwise drecky and cheezy MIDI tones
sound just great in the right combinations (I am a clasically trained
musician with perfect pitch. I am *extremely* picky about music) but
admitedly they are very hard to find. I guess if I am watching an old cheezy
horror flick, I can kind of guiltily enjoy it. People have noted that in the
accordions conference I have bashed the sound of the accordion. Correction,
I bash the sound of an ill played accordion. I heard the most hauntingly
beautiful sounds ever as an accordion in a big field. (this was the same day
that some one else, also a master, played bagpipes in the field. this was
a tie for the most haunting sounds ever) There was even mist and woods so it
was as if little faries were playing. (font has an overgrown imagination)
As for the worst sounds ever, I would have to say that my most unfavorite
instrumnent ever is the BGees and ABBA. ;-)
I like the English horn and the Viola de Amore. (in the the same family as
it's more well known cousin , the Viola de Gamba) It has 2 sets of strings,
so you hear the overtones as well as the vibrating ones above. I also like
the Bassoon and Electric Guitar, Mandolin and Cello.
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