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Grex > Coop10 > #28: A one-person-one-listing web page policy | |
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valerie
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A one-person-one-listing web page policy
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Aug 11 13:48 UTC 1997 |
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remmers
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response 1 of 41:
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Aug 11 14:16 UTC 1997 |
One-entry-one-account seems reasonable. Making exceptions in the
case of a person who has changed login id's seems reasonable
too, by the same logic that we justify setting up a mail alias
so that mail to the old address will still reach the person.
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richard
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response 2 of 41:
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Aug 11 14:39 UTC 1997 |
I don't agree with this, as should be obvious because I have two
homepages. The one I have for personal use is the "Richard" one, but I
also still have one under "Kerouac", which is my Jack Kerouac links page
(maintained out of personal interest)
Actually I think only the Kerouac one is listed when really the Richard
one should be the one on the list, since I primarily publicize the other
one in other places. But I know there are some people with more than one
page listed, such as Jenna, who has both "Shade" and "Kitten" pages listed
My two pages here are for different purposes and different topics...I dont
see why theycouldnt both be listed , or shouldnt be, justbecause they are
both under mynbame. Especially, sinceI could easily change the name on
one of the logins so it *looks8 like they7 have different owners and get
both listed.
The whole policy is silly. Why can't if someone clicks "Richard", they
get "richard Wallner has two homepages., choose one"? or something. Or
if I click Valerie Mates, why cant I get prompted to choose whether I want
the Valerie homepage or the Popcorn page?
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aruba
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response 3 of 41:
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Aug 11 15:33 UTC 1997 |
Well, I think the answer to those "why" questions is that it would be a lot
of work for the Webmasters to keep it straight which pages belonged to which
humans. But then again, sounds like they're already do ing that.
I don't know. The list of homepages is undoubtedly hit very frequently,
right? And the bigger it gets, the more drain it is. But maybe that's a
"drop-in-the-ocean". On the other hand should people with 12 accounts get
listed 12 times if they want to?
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dpc
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response 4 of 41:
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Aug 11 15:48 UTC 1997 |
I don't like to see a policy that says "one page for one human."
"One page for one account" seems the better way to go.
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janc
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response 5 of 41:
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Aug 11 16:20 UTC 1997 |
I think you can do the "Richard Wallner has two pages...choose one" thing
right now under the current policy. Just make that page yourself and have
that be the page that the list points to.
I don't see the problem with allowing multiple listings. Yes, the list gets
longer, but it is probably already hopelessly huge. If size is the problem,
there are better ways to deal with it (separate lists for different letters
of the alphabet, or a searchable index, etc).
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robh
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response 6 of 41:
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Aug 11 21:44 UTC 1997 |
Ah, I had misunderstood the e-mail that I got on this. I had
always done it as one page per *account*, not per person.
I've knowingly done multiple listings for one person with different
accounts. Sounds like I was violating existing policy the whole
time I was Webmaster. >8)
The current users' listing is 22kb in size, and it got 276 hits
last week. Insignificant compared to mail, of course, but I'd
hate to see the file get huge.
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steve
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response 7 of 41:
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Aug 11 22:52 UTC 1997 |
One of the things we might want to do is put that page on
some other sytem, where it won't matter how often its gotten
hit. Once the ISDN link is in place it might not matter, once
again.
I think people should be able to have more than one entry,
given that different accounts might be for different projects
or stuff.
Lastly, given t hat we don't authenticate, I think we're likely
already permitting this. We all know that 'valerie' and 'popcorn'
are the same person. but do we know that 'axy' and 'rty' aren't
the same person, having two listings? We don't.
Its like psuedos--most people don't have the energy to make
5 alternate identities here. A few might, but that isn't the
majority.
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rcurl
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response 8 of 41:
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Aug 12 01:41 UTC 1997 |
I manage five accounts here - four are for non-profit organizations
and have homepages, and one is my personal account (with no homepage).
This is what STeve is talking about in regard to "different projects and
stuff". (I *hope* to get some of those non-profits to join....but I'd
still be involved in the management of the accounts.)
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scg
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response 9 of 41:
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Aug 12 04:58 UTC 1997 |
We still have a human updating the page by hand, right? Such a policy may
be useful to save on workload.
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rcurl
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response 10 of 41:
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Aug 12 05:43 UTC 1997 |
I think I missed a point here. I thought *all* accounts with a web page were
listed. If they are publically accessible, wouldn't it be reasonable to
expect this? I mean, if they are named index.html. Users could have 'secret'
pages with other names.
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scg
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response 11 of 41:
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Aug 12 05:49 UTC 1997 |
To list all accounts with a web page, you would have to have a process that
woudl look through 15,000 home directories for files called index.html, and
then compile the list, doing whatever else it has to do to find whatever other
information it uses, at some regular interval. It would be a resource hog,
and there may be some people who don't want their pages listed.
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srw
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response 12 of 41:
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Aug 12 06:06 UTC 1997 |
The index of Grex Users' home pages is located at
http://www.cyberspace.org/users.html
It is maintained by hand. Rob Henderson first applied this rule when he
maintained it. I continued it now that I do..
I agreed with Rob Henderson and supported this policy from the
beginning. We encouraged anyone who was affected by this policy to raise
the issue in co-op. No one did (until now). It was instituted to make
caring for the web pages more manageable. It has been in effect for at
least two years. We do not scan the list to eliminate duplicates or
otherwise enforce it. I don't know how you can. We merely inform users
with more than one account that they must choose which account to have
listed in the index.
It seems like a reasonable restriction to me, but I don't feel very
strongly about it. It was not instituted to save bandwidth, by the way.
That was never the issue at all.
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robh
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response 13 of 41:
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Aug 12 11:24 UTC 1997 |
And for those who think the file is small enough that adding a few
lines won't matter, the last time I checked the error log,
users.html was one of the most commonly *aborted* files on our
server. (I.e. people start downloading it and then stop because
it's taking to bloody long to get through our Net connection.)
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mdw
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response 14 of 41:
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Aug 12 16:11 UTC 1997 |
It sounds to me like turning it into an alphabetical index would be
worth it. Automating it might be worth it too (perhaps by having
"mkhomepage" add it...)
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robh
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response 15 of 41:
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Aug 12 21:33 UTC 1997 |
Ooh ick. Do you have any idea how many people run mkhomepage
once and never edit their page? How many prototype pages do
you want listed? Frankly, I was embarassed by the number of
people who wanted their prototypes listed on the page, never mind
the ones who didn't...
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valerie
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response 16 of 41:
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Aug 12 22:55 UTC 1997 |
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rcurl
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response 17 of 41:
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Aug 13 00:14 UTC 1997 |
...and some persons are organizations...
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orinoco
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response 18 of 41:
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Aug 13 02:52 UTC 1997 |
Re#16: And how does she (do they) manage that?
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robh
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response 19 of 41:
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Aug 13 03:46 UTC 1997 |
<robh notes that he is NOT a webmaster any more, no matter what valerie
or popcorn think, so his opinion means approximately diddly over squat>
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janc
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response 20 of 41:
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Aug 13 13:12 UTC 1997 |
You opinion means as much as anyone's.
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steve
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response 21 of 41:
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Aug 13 15:21 UTC 1997 |
I think that if people ask, we should list several pages if they
want.
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krj
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response 22 of 41:
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Aug 13 21:30 UTC 1997 |
Sure, as long as it's a small finite integer.
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robh
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response 23 of 41:
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Aug 13 22:22 UTC 1997 |
(As opposed to a small infinite integer? >8)
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remmers
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response 24 of 41:
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Aug 14 12:28 UTC 1997 |
A question for the folks who have done webmaster work: Why do
people want multiple listings? When they ask for multiple
listings, what kinds of things do they ask for?
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