response 1 of 58:

Aug 4 23:14 UTC 1997

   I've sent mail to this person.  I haven't the slightest idea if
it will work, but we'll see.

response 3 of 58:

Aug 5 02:40 UTC 1997

What exactly are tel-bombs?
Maybe, if you just talk to him nicely, it just might work.
Have a chat with the fellow.

response 7 of 58:

Aug 5 08:05 UTC 1997

nt has already told me that he will not be renewing his membership.  I'm not
sure what we can to, precisely.  He's on grex, to my knowledge, because it's
an open access unix system.  I dont' recall him ever taking advantage of user
benifits.  All I know is that he respects staff, or he did.  They would seem
to be the ones that could best deal with it.  Simple membership suspensions
won't do the trick.

response 9 of 58:

Aug 5 09:38 UTC 1997

To put this in perspective:  nt is not only a member of Grex, he was also the
largest buyer of items in the auction ($91 worth), and he has pledged and sent
in $100 to support the ISDN line.  He's also acted as go-between to help us
get money from people in India.  There is no question that he has been very
generous to Grex lately, and we are very thankful.

Having said all that, I think it is quite irrelevant.  The Grex staff cannot
be put in the position of "looking the other way" when someone has been a
large contributor.  That's almost a definition of corruption.  Any censure
that is meted out should be the same regardless of someone's membership
status, which means I don't think removing membership privileges is a good
reaction.

response 11 of 58:

Aug 5 19:40 UTC 1997

Hey nt is a cool guy.  I know he has been a generous contributor to grex but
that is beside the point.  It would be too harsh punishment to simply delete
his login  or cancel his membership.  Maybe all he needs is a warning and see
what happens then.

response 13 of 58:

Aug 5 23:04 UTC 1997

In these days of .yeswrite and .nowrite, the only problem with tel-bombs is
that we are not doing a good enough job of telling users how to use them.

response 15 of 58:

Aug 6 00:54 UTC 1997

I would, however, like to point out that while nt did a lot of telbombing
several months ago, it was my impression that he backed off a while back, but
i could be wrong.

response 17 of 58:

Aug 6 08:30 UTC 1997

Re #12: "I use that program only when the other guy starts first" - It has
been my experience that responding in kind to juvenile behavior is the best
way to make it continue, and that ignoring it is far more effective if you
want it to stop.

response 19 of 58:

Aug 7 01:03 UTC 1997

This is the mail I got today.....


Message 1/7  From Rani                   Aug 6, 97 04:59:44 pm -0400


Date: Wed, 6 Aug 1997 16:59:44 -0400
To: nt@cyberspace.org
Subject: zero

hi modda , kukka how are you?



The meaning for this is "hi dickhead, bitch how are you?"
So tell me..this guy is crown=krown=grown=arudhra.
The guy who complained staff about me telbombing him.

this guy works in NIC,Delhi India.

response 21 of 58:

Aug 7 01:26 UTC 1997

okay Mrs. Misti Anslin Tucker wants an Innovative Idea.

Here's one I got..

All these days staff & me are like friends.
Now one of the staff members is looking this issue thru a magnifying
glass.

Lets play this game safe. Do whatever you want either cancel
my membership or delete my account I dont care.

But pay me back all the money I donated to GREX.

here's the list.

I paid my membership fee in MAY. So thinking I'm a member to GREX
for MAY,JUNE,JULY and AUGUST..

I Should get $36 from my membership fee.

And I paid $91 in Auction and "Valerie" has donated her item
but from "query undelivered" I see qt314 & jiffer have not 
donated their Item.

So I Should get $69 and ask them not to deliver those items.

I recently donated $100 for ISDN.

So I should get $100 from ISDN.

The total money GREX owes me is $36+$69+$100 = $195.

I would really appreciate GUYS if you give me my money back before
taking any decision on my account.

If you dont wanna donate well..I will think I have donated my
money to WRONG PEOPLE.

Good Bye..

response 23 of 58:

Aug 7 03:14 UTC 1997

We normally try to deal with abusive behavior in private, and we 
specifically try not to bring allegations about individual users into a 
public forum such as this. This item was posted by a staffer who 
intended it as a discussion of how to deal with these problems *in 
general*. It was not out intention to name any names here. I am sorry it 
came to that.

Sri, I appreciate your generosity in making those donations. You proved 
yorself a real friend to Grex, and you earned my personal friendship. 
However, as you know, you did not buy the right to harrass other users. 
I don't think the staff has ever wanted to remove your account or revoke 
any privileges. In fact, I am not even sure that the staff has the right 
to do that to a member. This needs to be clarified for me. Staff just 
wants you (and crown, and everyone else)  to use the system in a 
responsible way. 

Your donations are not refundable, but I'd rather that you felt that 
there was no cause to justify any refund. If you aren't doing any 
telbombing (even in retaliation, because it doesn't matter who started 
it), then this issue is over, in respect to you. The general question of 
what do we do when a member misbehaves and refuses to stop still 
remains, though. That, I think,  is the real topic of this item.