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keesan
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Teaching a teenager to cook, the basics (vegan)
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Apr 7 20:09 UTC 1998 |
How does one teach a 17 year old to cook, who knows nothing except how to make
'spaghetti from a can' (canned sauce, not canned spaghetti, we asked.) He
has been visiting us once a week or so, sometimes having to cancel at the last
minute, and is free from 3:30 to 6:00. We cook vegan, unrefined foods, but
could do variants of more traditional stuff if he wanted. So far we made
sour-dough rye bread (we put is someplace cold to rise for three days, and
when he returned aftera week is was only three days old). Pizza (we made the
crust in advance). Bagels (managed it all, including grinding flour, in 2.5
hours). We had planned apple pie for Saturday, he could not come, and today
he did not show up as expected. The hours are out of his control. We did
bagels and pizza because he remembered making them with us when he was 5.
Oatmeal is not all that exciting. What are the basic techniques that a
teenager ought to know in order to be able to survive in college without
having to resort to McDonalds or frozen TV dinners?
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response 1 of 42:
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Apr 7 23:38 UTC 1998 |
I'll assume that you mean "in college living in an apartment" - not a dorm.
He should know basic food planning, preparation, shopping, and sanitation.
(Budgeting would be nice too - good luck if you want to try.)
While fun & interesting, many of the foods you named don't sound too
practical for a hurrying-through-his-day-and-short-on-time college
student to make and eat on a day-to-day basis. (How motivated is he
to learn skills he'll need?)
Is he vegetarian? Unless "yes" and he's pretty committed, he'll be eating
(& hopefully cooking) meat in college. Getting one pork chop, enough
ground chuck to make one hamburger, etc. is easy at a *real* meat shop
(so you can eat veggie while he eats omni) and he'd better know to handle
meat (espec. the sanitation issues!).
Get him doing everything with his own two hands as quick as possible.
Focus on building a repetoire of quick, simple, healthy, and economical
dishes that he can comfortably make without consulting a recipe or paying
very close attention. PB & J sandwiches. Tuna salad sandwiches. Simple
stove-top meats & veggies. Baked potatoes. Carrot salad. Whatever's-
at-hand casseroles. Eggs. Get him shopping out of his own pocket (even
if you put the $5 in there) in a variety of grocery stores.
<set preach=off> :)
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keesan
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response 2 of 42:
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Apr 8 02:37 UTC 1998 |
We can't get him shopping out of his own pocket because he does not live here
or eat here, and there is not really enough time to go to a store with him.
And we are not going to teach him to cook things that we would not eat. What
we have made so far was at his request. There is some chance he could live
with us for a couple of years after graduating high school, and learn to cook
then, but in the meantime we have to think of things that are fun to cook,
to get him interested. If he really wants to cook meat, he can do that at
home, excpet his mother does not seem to want him to cook. When she is sick
she sends him to McDonalds. Just in case he does not live with us at all,
what sorts of basics (vegan) should we be teaching him that can be cooked in
no more than 2 and a half hours? I would start with pressure-cooking rice,
and how to peel and onion or scrape a carrot, maybe boil oatmeal, how to soak
beans and cook them, I guess. Problem is, we have to plan ahead, but we never
know if he will show up as planned. Not under his control. Good idea about
taking him shopping, but we shop at farmer's market and they close before he
can come over. I suppose the local food store will do. He is trying very
hard to get used to our world, probably harder than we would try to teach him
how to cook stuff we don't cook ourselves. He ate everything except the
mustard greens, so far. And is willing to help dig the garden and plant it.
So far we have done bread stuff, since he had learned that once when younger.
Walter, your advice will probably be helpful for nonvegan parents. I have
no objection to continuing on the subject of how to teach kids to cook
nonvegetarian in this item before sending them out in the wide world.
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valerie
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response 3 of 42:
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Apr 8 16:20 UTC 1998 |
One option would be to sit him down with some good, vegan, cookbooks and let
him pick the recipes to try. That gives him some practice at meal planning
and at reading cookbooks, and it lets him start with things he feels confident
he can do, gradually branching out into the less familiar ingredients and
cooking techniques as he feels ready to try them. It sounds like there often
isn't time for both shopping and cooking, but that's okay if you either have
a variety of ingredients on-hand that he can use in the recipe, or if you're
willing to have him pick out recipes the first week and do the cooking the
following week (if he's there). As long as he isn't picking things that are
too gross, if he doesn't show up you could always use the ingredients for
something else and then buy them again for the next week's possible visit.
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keesan
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response 4 of 42:
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Apr 8 23:39 UTC 1998 |
Good idea, I will see if the library's only vegan cookbook has been returned
yet, or see what is in our other cookbooks. We generally don't cook anything
from recipes, but it will give him some idea of what is possible. I don't
know if he knows any cooking techniques at all, but he is good with his hands.
We can start with rice, potatoes, onions, beans, let him pick some recipe and
show him the basics. (He knows how to open cans but we don't use them).
How have parents taught their kids to cook?
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mary
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response 5 of 42:
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Apr 9 03:19 UTC 1998 |
I didn't. He seems to be picking it up on his own on a
need-to-know basis. He is asking more questions lately
about how some of his favorite things are prepared, but
mostly he'll learn by trial and error and experimentation.
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void
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response 6 of 42:
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Apr 9 08:47 UTC 1998 |
how about soup? once the basic ideas are grasped, making soup is
fairly easy. besides, taking the time on a day off to make a biggish
pot of soup can make healthy eating through the rest of the week fairly
convenient, if a little repetitive. fried rice? stir-fry dishes?
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keesan
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response 7 of 42:
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Apr 9 23:35 UTC 1998 |
All good ideas, we have lots of vegetables that we froze that we can put in
soup or stir-fry (but I will check another item to find out how to make fried
rice that does not stick). Bread and soup are good together.
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valerie
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Apr 11 12:40 UTC 1998 |
Re cookbooks: The Friends of the Ann Arbor District Library booksale has a
huge variety of cookbooks, mostly for 50 cents to a dollar, available each
weekend during the school year. Since their books are donated to them, the
variety varies from week to week, but there's almost always something
interesting in the cookbook section.
Mary? Just curious: did you try to teach Carlos to cook and he wasn't
interested?
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mary
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response 9 of 42:
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Apr 11 19:15 UTC 1998 |
Nope. He only exposure to cooking was waltzing through the
kitchen on his way in or out. I didn't attempt to teach him anything. If
he would have shown an interest I would have gladly shared
my enthusiasm. But he didn't.
So it is kind of funny when he came home from college a year
ago announcing he had a new job (part-time) lined up for
the fall. He was going to be a cook for dormitory food
service. Not just a cook but some mid-level specialty
type cook. He'd be needing to start his job a couple
of weeks before school started, he said.
Well, okay, I said, but did you tell them the only thing
you've ever prepared is Stouffer's mac & cheese, in the
microwave, and even that was iffy?
It'll be all right, mom. Don't worry. The reason I start
two weeks early is to learn to cook.
And you know what, he's doing just fine. Loves his job
and he is starting to show interest in how I do things
in the kitchen.
He's not easily intimidated by the unknown. We may also
be getting some insight into why dorm food is so unique.
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davel
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response 10 of 42:
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Apr 12 22:02 UTC 1998 |
Heh. Because they hire inexperienced cooks, you mean?
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gracel
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response 11 of 42:
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Apr 17 13:20 UTC 1998 |
When I had to take cooking in junior high school, 35 years ago, the
teacher was mostly concerned that we learn
1. to wash our hands often
2. how to understand a recipe
3. how to measure accurately.
Most of the particular things we cooked I didn't like, or wouldn't have
cooked for myself, but the theory seems sound. Even if you don't follow
other people's recipes exactly, they can be a great resource if
you know what they mean.
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iggy
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response 12 of 42:
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Apr 18 20:06 UTC 1998 |
<and remember, there is no such thing as
"too much garlic" or "too many onions" :-)
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omni
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response 13 of 42:
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Apr 19 02:06 UTC 1998 |
Exactly. Same goes for the concept of "too much pizza"
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abchan
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response 14 of 42:
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Apr 20 01:05 UTC 1998 |
(or too much chocolate)
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i
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response 15 of 42:
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Apr 20 01:35 UTC 1998 |
<i never realized that choco-garlic-onion pizza was all the rage. What
will them young folk be doing next???>
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keesan
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response 16 of 42:
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Apr 20 03:29 UTC 1998 |
Possibly they are three different pizzas?
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mta
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Apr 22 19:53 UTC 1998 |
My method for "teaching" cooking was haphazard and somewhat hazardous. ;)
When I didn't feel well, which a few years ago was often, I'd turn to one of
the kids and say "it's your turn. There's some xyz in the pantry; I usually
prepare it by <pick a method>."
Then I'd turn my back or take a nap while they messed up my kitchen. At first
they were sure they didn't need advice and some of the results were atrocious
- but we ate it. After a while they started watching when I cooked and aftyer
a while longer they started coming up with some really and truly creative and
delicious ideas.
It wouldn't work outside the family, of course, and someone with a stronger
sense of what's edible than I have migt be mortified -- but it worked for us.
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keesan
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response 18 of 42:
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Apr 22 21:27 UTC 1998 |
Jim's son hopes to be free on weekends soon, so maybe we can plan on cooking
lunch together then. He is willing to help dig up the garden and plant
things, we can really start from scratch. What sorts of things would you
suggest for a first vegetable garden for a 17 year old? Other than tomato
plants?
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response 19 of 42:
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Apr 22 22:14 UTC 1998 |
Stuff he likes to eat. Carrots, radishes, greens, or something else that
can be harvested well before fall.
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mta
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response 20 of 42:
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Apr 22 23:13 UTC 1998 |
Radished are excellent because they don't require much work or patience. ;)
Other than that, what he like to eat would be best.
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keesan
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response 21 of 42:
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Apr 22 23:31 UTC 1998 |
Radishes are the only vegetable JIm will not eat. David was willing to eat
mustard greens (I got it wrong, he did not want any squash) and you can cook
radish greens the same way, but mustard greens taste better. Carrots will
not grow in my garden, they need full sun and sandy soil. I have clay and
shade, except for a bit of sun at the front for tomatoes. I will ask David
for ideas, and also plant mustard greens. Thanks. Have other people's kids
enjoyed gardening?
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gracel
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response 22 of 42:
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Apr 29 17:04 UTC 1998 |
You could try some snow peas, they prefer cool weather and your shade might
be perfect for them.
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keesan
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response 23 of 42:
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May 1 21:16 UTC 1998 |
Jim's son did not come at 6:30 to help make supper last week, he called at
6:30 to apologize that he had to go to a restaurant with his mother. Now he
hopes to be able to come earlier tomorrow, and we will cook millet and
lentils, and maybe get some digging done in the garden (it is getting a bit
late to grow peas but we can watch the vines come up, at least).
It is a little hard to plan these things when they get cancelled so often.
Maybe a year from now when he turns 18 he will have some control over things.
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keesan
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May 3 04:14 UTC 1998 |
He was going to come by today at 4 to help dig the garden, but when I checked
e-mail at 3 he had e-mailed this morning to say his mother would not let him
come today (apparently he arranged this with us without first asking for
permission, which he probably would not have gotten anyway), he had to go rent
a tuxedo for the prom instead. Maybe next Saturday. Perhaps he will have
more free time by the end of May and we can plant tomatoes instead of peas.
We had shopped for some interesting things to cook, as usual. This is getting
fairly predictable.
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