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sj2
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Are geeks socialists??
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Jul 12 05:44 UTC 2003 |
What do you think?
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janc
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response 1 of 87:
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Jul 12 05:51 UTC 2003 |
I've met some socialist geeks, and some capitalist geeks.
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polytarp
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response 2 of 87:
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Jul 12 11:11 UTC 2003 |
Idiots.
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sabre
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response 3 of 87:
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Jul 12 11:51 UTC 2003 |
sj2..you are one lame motherfucker. Why can't you come up with a better topic?
You wanna-be geek.
What a STUPID question. You must be about 8 years old.
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orinoco
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response 4 of 87:
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Jul 12 12:43 UTC 2003 |
I know some 40-year-old socialist geeks. I don't know any 20-year-old
socialist geeks. I'm not sure what that says.
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sj2
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response 5 of 87:
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Jul 12 16:40 UTC 2003 |
Re #3, Actually I will turn 8 this september. And whats wrong in being
a wanna-be geek?? Better than being a foul-mouth atleast.
Ok ... in what other profession do people give away their hardwork for
free?? Do car designers design a car and give the blueprints for free?
Which other industry has such a strong and influential open source
movement?
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twenex
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response 6 of 87:
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Jul 13 00:01 UTC 2003 |
I am a socialist geek
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polytarp
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response 7 of 87:
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Jul 13 00:49 UTC 2003 |
You're someone who should shut the fuck up.
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other
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response 8 of 87:
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Jul 13 03:52 UTC 2003 |
Boy, if that ain't the pot calling the kettle dense...
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russ
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response 9 of 87:
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Jul 13 04:02 UTC 2003 |
Re #79: Science and folk music come to mind.
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pvn
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response 10 of 87:
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Jul 13 07:40 UTC 2003 |
Medical Doctors for another. There was a dude in England that developed
a secret method of safely delivering difficult children. He tried to
maintain his monopoly by requiring nobody but the mother be in the room
and that a drape be placed between him and the mother. He is the
inventor of the modern obstetrical forceps but I'll bet you nobody knows
his name.
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pvn
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response 11 of 87:
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Jul 13 07:52 UTC 2003 |
But to address #0. "Geeks" are not socialists. Oh, there are perhaps a
few deluded and brilliant who talk the talk of socialism but don't walk
the walk. The rest recognize that "a rising tide lifts all boats" and
thus cast pearls on the water and see the harvest returned ten-fold.
Geeks recoginize that if they have a clever idea that openly publishing
it to the masses of other geeks who can actually understand it results
in a further refinement of the idea and results in Geeks ability to make
a lot more money on the implemetation. Micro$oft is the singular
exception and Linux is the example of this.
People don't drive cars that they build themselves even though the
entire design can be found in any public library. People buy cars based
on open source of the tech.
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jazz
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response 12 of 87:
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Jul 13 14:32 UTC 2003 |
It depends on where you draw the line between capitalism and socialism.
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gull
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response 13 of 87:
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Jul 14 15:52 UTC 2003 |
In my experience geeks tend towards libertarianism on monetary issues, and
towards liberalism on social issues, but there are plenty of exceptions to
the rule. There's also quite a contingent of anarchist geeks, mostly among
the ranks of the young and naive.
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flem
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response 14 of 87:
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Jul 14 18:29 UTC 2003 |
I think that there are elements in various geeky pursuits, particularly
online, that would in another age have been called socialist. I think the
term "socialist" is one of those things that have become so overloaded with
connotation that the denotation, the literal meaning, is pretty much
irrelevant, and the term itself is now pretty much useless except as a
reference to the body of connotation. Sort of a primitive googlewashing, if
you will. Anyway, I think that the geekish pursuits I'm referring to could
perhaps be more accurately described as collectivist. The common idea seems
to be that individual people *voluntarily* donating their resources can
produce something of significant value to everyone.
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janc
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response 15 of 87:
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Jul 15 00:30 UTC 2003 |
Agree entirely wtih Greg. If you define 'geek' and define 'socialist' then
I'll tell you whether geeks are socialist. It's definately the case that
there are plenty of people who would happily describe themselves as 'geek'
and 'socialist'. An awful lot of them live in Europe though. In America,
it's pretty unusual to find anyone who defines themselves as a socialist.
In America, 'socialist' is a dirty word. Doesn't mean that there aren't
plenty of people who have opinions pretty close to those of European
socialists.
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gull
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response 16 of 87:
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Jul 15 15:38 UTC 2003 |
Can't you still be denied citizenship for having been a communist party
member?
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sj2
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response 17 of 87:
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Jul 15 18:12 UTC 2003 |
Heh, you are joking. Right?
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gelinas
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response 18 of 87:
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Jul 15 20:08 UTC 2003 |
No, he's not joking: there are limits on who can be naturalised in the United
States. I don't know if that particular limit is (still) in effect.
You can't lose your citizenship by joining a Communist party, though.
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tod
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response 19 of 87:
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Jul 15 20:18 UTC 2003 |
This response has been erased.
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jmsaul
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response 20 of 87:
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Jul 15 23:51 UTC 2003 |
I can vouch for the fact that there's a question about whether you were a
Communist on the immigration forms.
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slynne
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response 21 of 87:
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Jul 16 00:47 UTC 2003 |
That seems kind of fucked up
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russ
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response 22 of 87:
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Jul 16 01:41 UTC 2003 |
Isn't "anarchist organization" an oxymoron?
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gelinas
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response 23 of 87:
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Jul 16 02:53 UTC 2003 |
Yeah, but even anarchists organise to promote their agenda. Go figure.
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sj2
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response 24 of 87:
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Jul 16 05:29 UTC 2003 |
Isn't democracy all about having the right to political freedom,
amongst other things?
In India, communist parties regularly contest elections and
participate in all other democratic processes. According to the
regulations laid down by the Election commission all parties are even
required to conduct internal polls to elect officials.
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