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Supreme Court strikes down antisodomy laws in "Lawrence v. Texas Mark Unseen   Jun 28 20:21 UTC 2003

A landmark ruling from the Supreme Court this week.  Remember this case-
- Lawrence v. Texas

From the New York Times:

"Supreme Court Strikes Down Texas Law Banning Sodomy
By JOEL BRINKLEY


WASHINGTON, June 26   The Supreme Court struck down a Texas law today 
that forbids homosexual sex, and reversed its own ruling in a similar 
Georgia case 17 years ago, thus invalidating antisodomy laws in the 
states that still have them.

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, writing for the majority in the 6-to-3 
Texas decision, said that gay people "are entitled to respect for their 
private lives," adding that "the state cannot demean their existence or 
control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime."

Justices John Paul Stevens, David H. Souter, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and 
Stephen G. Breyer agreed with Justice Kennedy. Justice Sandra Day 
O'Connor sided with the majority in its decision, but in a separate 
opinion disagreed with some of Justice Kennedy's reasoning.

Justice Antonin Scalia wrote the dissent and took the unusual step of 
reading it aloud from the bench this morning, saying "the court has 
largely signed on to the so-called homosexual agenda," while adding 
that he personally has "nothing against homosexuals." Joining Justice 
Scalia's dissent were Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Justice 
Clarence Thomas.

Justice Scalia said he believed the ruling paved the way for homosexual 
marriages. "This reasoning leaves on shaky, pretty shaky, grounds state 
laws limiting marriage to opposite-sex couples," he wrote.

The court's actions today would also seem to overturn any law 
forbidding sodomy, no matter whether it deals with homosexual or 
heterosexual activity.

The case, Lawrence v. Texas, No. 02-102, was an appeal of a ruling by 
the Texas Court of Appeals, which had upheld the law barring "deviate 
sexual intercourse." The plaintiffs, John G. Lawrence and Tyron Garner 
of Houston, were arrested in 1998 after police officers, responding to 
a false report of a disturbance, discovered them having sex in Mr. 
Lawrence's apartment. Mr. Lawrence and Mr. Garner were jailed overnight 
and fined $200 each after pleading no contest to sodomy charges.

In its ruling today in the Texas case and its revisiting of the 1986 
Georgia case, the Supreme Court made a sharp turn.

In 1986, the justices upheld an antisodomy law in Georgia, prompting 
protests from gay rights advocates and civil liberties groups. But in 
the 17 years since, the social climate in the United States has 
changed, broadening public perceptions of gays and softening the legal 
and social sanctions that once confronted gay people. Until 1961, all 
50 states banned sodomy. By 1968, that number had dwindled to 24 
states, and by today's ruling, it stood at 13.

Even though the court upheld the Georgia antisodomy statute   which had 
applied to heterosexual as well as homosexual conduct   a Georgia court 
later voided it. But the justices' ruling on the legal principle behind 
the Georgia statute continued to stand, so today the court, voting 5 to 
4, issued a new ruling overturning its 1986 decision in the Georgia 
case.

Of the three current justices who were on the court when it initially 
ruled in the Georgia case, in 1986, Justices Rehnquist and O'Connor 
voted to uphold the Georgia law in 1986 and Justice Stevens voted to 
strike it down.

The Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund, which works on behalf of 
gay rights advocates and related groups, brought the appeal of the 
Texas ruling to the court, arguing that it violated equal protection 
and due process laws. It described sexual intimacy in the home as an 
aspect of the "liberty" protected by the Constitutional guarantee of 
due process.

Today's ruling "will be a powerful tool for gay people in all 50 states 
where we continue fighting to be treated equally," the Lambda fund's 
legal director, Ruth Harlow, said. "For decades, these laws have been a 
major roadblock to equality. They've labeled the entire gay community 
as criminals and second-class citizens. Today, the Supreme Court ended 
that once and for all."

Some lawyers for the plaintiffs wept in the courtroom as the court made 
public its decision today. Several legal and medical groups had joined 
gay rights and human rights groups in their challenge to the Texas law.

But traditional-values conservatives reacted angrily to the court's 
actions, particularly regarding the prospect that they could open the 
legal door to gay marriages."




191 responses total.
richard
response 1 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 20:28 UTC 2003

I think the Court made the right and just decision.  The case involved 
a gay couple in Texas whose house was raided by mistake, and police 
inadvertently saw them having sex and prosecuted them under Texas's 
anti-sodomy laws.  They'd have to register as sex offenders if they 
moved to any of several other states that have such laws.  But the 
Court sided with them, and admitted what should have been obvious-- 
that two consenting adults who love each other have every right to a 
private life and engage in sex.  The government shouldn't be telling 
any two consenting adults what they can do with their lives, or that 
they can't have sex.

This should pave the way for legalization of same-sex marriages, which 
were recently legalized in Canada.  I'm happy that our country is 
finally coming into the modern age, and I'm especially happy for my gay 
friends who have lived under the spectre of these arcane, hateful, laws 
all their lives.

I applaud the decision.  And I *really* didn't like Scalia's dissent 
where he spoke openly of the 'homosexual agenda'  I really don't want 
to see that guy become the next Chief Justice, although he probably 
will be
dcat
response 2 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 21:14 UTC 2003

The house wasn't raided by mistake, a neighbor with a grudge filed a false
report.
mary
response 3 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 23:40 UTC 2003

Probably jealous that the guy couple's house was
the coolest on the block.

(Sorry.)
polytarp
response 4 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 23:57 UTC 2003

You're welcome.
bru
response 5 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 00:41 UTC 2003

and I have heard soem nambla people openlyh praising the decision as a step
towards their agenda.

Thank you very much (not!)
keesan
response 6 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 01:47 UTC 2003

What is nambla?  I have no idea what you are talking about.
gelinas
response 7 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 02:20 UTC 2003

I don't remember what the a's expand to, but the "MBL" is "man-boy love".
dcat
response 8 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 02:24 UTC 2003

resp:6  NAMBLA= North American Man/Boy Love Association. 
[http://www.nambla1.de/] (It's unclear why [http://www.nambla.org/]
redirects to this German address, but it does.)
void
response 9 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 03:20 UTC 2003

   For a straight married guy, Bruce, you seem awfully interested in
NAMBLA.  :)
jmsaul
response 10 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 04:44 UTC 2003

Re #5:  So what?  They're full of shit.  This decision was about the privacy
        rights of two people who are legally capable of consent.  Children
        are not legally capable of consent.  This decision does *nothing*
        for NAMBLA.  *Nothing*.

        The decision also doesn't help people who are into bestiality
        (animals aren't capable of consent either).

        If I were you, I wouldn't take legal analysis by NAMBLA members
        seriously.  If they think this decision helps them, they're morons.
senna
response 11 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 05:14 UTC 2003

I can't believe that anybody is making a big deal out of this.

For all I know, NAMBLA people are deliriously happy about the Bush tax cuts,
because they get more money to promote their cause.  It's a big step for them.
Do you want to reverse the Bush tax cuts if this is true, Bruce?
keesan
response 12 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 05:46 UTC 2003

Bush is giving tax cuts to people who have children.
pvn
response 13 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 06:25 UTC 2003

Does this mean I can own a firearm in the privacy of my own home?
other
response 14 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 07:10 UTC 2003

As long as you only use it in the privacy of your own home, and no 
passing person on the street can in any way experience any evidence of 
your use of it.
jaklumen
response 15 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 08:36 UTC 2003

The decision is good, how it relates to same-sex marriage, that I 
don't get
bru
response 16 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 15:05 UTC 2003

what about prostitution and drug use?  Are these now going to be legal in the
privacy of your own home?
jmsaul
response 17 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 15:10 UTC 2003

Drug use in the home requires drug production and dealing outside it,
which would not be protected under the privacy rationale.  A similar
argument would be made about prostitution. 

While I'd personally like to see both of those activities legalized and
regulated, this decision won't aid in that at all.  

other
response 18 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 16:24 UTC 2003

It does appear that the logic behind this decision should also apply to 
prostitution activities carried out in private homes.  They would also be 
described as actions carried out by consenting adults (so long as both 
parties are indeed adults and consenting).
slynne
response 19 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 16:39 UTC 2003

I want to know why bruce is so interested in what folks do in their 
bedrooms. 

resp:17 - well, probably a person *could* grow pot in their home just 
for their own use but I dont see anyone using this precedent in a drug 
case. 
rcurl
response 20 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 18:38 UTC 2003

Prostitution is only a public problem when it involves coercion or crime.
In a sense, the current sexual mores involve a lot of private, pro-bono
prostitution (i.e, young (and old) people sleep with each other for fun).
This is certainly outside the pervue of law (or should be). 
keesan
response 21 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 22:44 UTC 2003

Prostitution also contributes to the spread of disease.
slynne
response 22 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 23:11 UTC 2003

Well, unregulated prostitution does anyway. 
russ
response 23 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 29 23:52 UTC 2003

Prostitution is commerce, and some things which are legal to swap
via non-commercial exchanges are unlawful to ask money for (e.g.
children, human organs).  None of that is going to change, so
prostitution's status isn't likely to either.

Prostitution also involves issues of public health, in the same way
that any kind of promiscuous sexuality does.  For that reason, it
deserves to be regulated.
keesan
response 24 of 191: Mark Unseen   Jun 30 00:08 UTC 2003

If you regulate it, does some inspector make sure that condoms are used every
time?  For instance watching through a one-way mirror or a TV circuit?
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