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polytarp
Saddam Hussein is dead Mark Unseen   Jun 23 18:36 UTC 2003

http://www.observer.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12239,982710,00.html
85 responses total.
dcat
response 1 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 20:45 UTC 2003

Try reading the story before you post it:

[M]ilitary sources indicated **they were optimistic** the tests would
show that Saddam and at least one of his two sons, Uday and Qusay,
were among the dead, ***although they stressed that a conclusive
identification of the men killed in the attack had not yet been
made.***

(Emphases added.)
sj2
response 2 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 13:08 UTC 2003

Saddam Hussein is not dead. This is a lie. Whoever trains guns at 
Saddam's convoy will commit suicide. It is the fascits who are dying. 
GW Bush and T. Blair are dead. We will take you to their funeral soon. 
<blip> <blip> .... aaaaahhhhhhhh
lk
response 3 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 22:29 UTC 2003

For excerpts of the story, see Spring Agora item 214, response 56.
(Which I posted 40 hours before this item. You were scooped, PT! (: )
polytarp
response 4 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 22:52 UTC 2003

NO Way.
pvn
response 5 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jun 27 06:24 UTC 2003

sheep smugglers?
i
response 6 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 01:24 UTC 2003

I'd heard that sheep fetch much better prices in Syria than in Iraq...
pvn
response 7 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jun 28 05:43 UTC 2003

I guess the syrians like their sheep - must be the french influence.
But is is profitable enought to be driving limos to transport the sheep?
mrplow
response 8 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 2 12:20 UTC 2003

I dont really care abou saddam. I would rather have it that, that the former
information minister var instatet as new ruler of iraq - it would be
hillarious!
lk
response 9 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 4 00:14 UTC 2003

17:26   U.S. offers $25 million for any information leading to capture
        of Saddam Hussein or proves that he is dead 
pvn
response 10 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 4 06:43 UTC 2003

Sad'ham is not dead.  He's just pine-ing for the fiords.
mary
response 11 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 4 12:54 UTC 2003

Between the "Bring 'em on" comment and the $25 million dollar bounty I'm
left wondering how any country on the planet could respect us at the
moment. 

Next time I hope we get somewhat more of an intellectual than a cowboy as
President.  This is pretty embarrassing.
klg
response 12 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 4 16:20 UTC 2003

Typical.  Liberals tend to be ashamed of being American.  Conservatives 
tend to be proud.  (Fortunately, America is turning more conservative.)

(We are baffled.  Why would anyone think that this world is better off 
with Saddam Hussein running loose?????)
other
response 13 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 07:22 UTC 2003

Typical.  Conservative hacks (as opposed to conservatives in general) 
tend to think that liberals who are ashamed of the stupid hick image our 
president presents to the world are un-American and in favor of Saddam 
Hussein.
jaklumen
response 14 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 09:52 UTC 2003

re:12 and re:13 probably somewhat extremist views.  But I've always 
taken the middle road and shaken my head and both sides.  Figures.

There's a grain of truth to both statements, and I think Eric's is 
probably closer to being accurate because it wasn't so sweeping in its 
generalizations.  What seems to be often masked is that there are 
moderates in both major parties.  Whether people mean to or not, it 
seems to me that discussions are often polarized-- liberals must be 
Democrat, and conservatives must be Republican.  Choose and get with 
the program; to be moderate is to be wishy-washy.

I'm still unsure what to think.  Hussein was definitely a terrible 
despot, and hopefully, some good will come out of the toppling of his 
regime.  I agree, though, that a $25 mil bounty seems rather 
desperate.  If the world wants to be rid of him, he'll eventually be 
flushed out.
lk
response 15 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 13:43 UTC 2003

People in the US manage to go underground and evade police for years.
Eventually some turn up.  Now consider how much more difficult it is
to find a person who not only knows the terrain, but is actively
protected by a small segment of the population which remains loyal.

I don't think it's embarrassing that we haven't got him (yet).
I think others are much more embarrassed that the stupid Bush called
Saddam's bluffs, that the war was swift, and that a new administration
is being built.

I also feel embarrassed by the people who expect this to take days
instead of years.
klg
response 16 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 17:45 UTC 2003

Actually, our statements were substantiated by the results of a poll 
(Gallup??) that we heard on the radio last Thursday.

Liberals tend to look at America and see flaws.  Conservatives tend to 
see a great country.  Maybe that's why liberals tend to be less happy 
than conservatives (also based on poll results).
jazz
response 17 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 17:53 UTC 2003

        There's also a strong correlation between igorance and bliss, though.
jmsaul
response 18 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 18:07 UTC 2003

It could also have a lot to do with the fact that, at present, Conservatives
control all three branches of government.  That would tend to make them think
things are great, and Liberals think otherwise.
other
response 19 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 18:16 UTC 2003

#16 points out exactly why the conservative community is comprised mostly 
of the most mainstream elements of society, and why the more unlike those 
in power you are, the more likely you are to be dissatisfied with the 
status quo.  

#16 effectively says that anyone who is conservative will tend to 
overlook the flaws of America, and the reason behind that is that the 
flaws disproportionately affect those who are not white, typically male, 
and typically solidly middle class or better off.  These are the people 
who have no reason to be concerned with the flaws of our society, so of 
course they're going to be happier and more focused on their own sense of 
of how great our contry is for them.

The difference is that liberals tend to base their assessment of how 
great our country is on how great it is for ALL of its citizens, not just 
those who comprise the majority.  And most conservatives are too unable 
or unwilling to see beyond the ends of their noses (or their wallets) to 
even appreciate why that is.

#18 slipped in
lk
response 20 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 18:57 UTC 2003

Let's not forget that "conservative" comes from "conserve" -- to keep
the good we've got, or think we have, or some such.
rcurl
response 21 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 19:20 UTC 2003

Then why do conservatives want to destroy some of the "good" we have, such
as individual rights, the enviroment, and world peace?
jmsaul
response 22 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 19:51 UTC 2003

Supposedly, the last thing conservatives would want to do is destroy
individual rights.  American conservatives are special, though.
klg
response 23 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 20:13 UTC 2003

(We have "world peace"????

Did I miss the memo?)


re:  "#19 (other): ... The difference is that liberals tend to base 
their assessment of how great our country is on how great it is for ALL 
of its citizens, ...."

Thank you, Mr. other.  We appreciate your apt identification of one of 
the great faults with liberals.  They believe they are endowed with the 
ability to determine how everyone else feels (or ought to feel).  Quite 
obviously, this is not possible - as least so far as we know.
rcurl
response 24 of 85: Mark Unseen   Jul 5 20:39 UTC 2003

To the contrary, it is easy to judge how many citizens feel because they
state their feeling, and march, and protest. Anyone with half an eye can
observe this. The problem with many conservatives is they cannot see, they
are so blinded by their self-serving obsessions. 

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