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polygon
Friendster and relationship networks Mark Unseen   Jun 23 04:50 UTC 2003

Okay, so I signed up with Friendster a while back.  Lynne and Aaron were
the ones who got me into it.

As of now, I'm directly connected to nine friends, and I'm directly or
indirectly connected to a total of 12,179 people.  And so are you, if
you're connected to Lynne or Aaron or any of their friends or friends-
of-friends.

The toplogy of this is somewhat interesting.  I mean, it's easy to imagine
how a cluster of a few people, like the handful of local Grexers and sf
community folks who got me into this, could gradually spread out around
the edges.  This kind of growth would be experienced as a gain of a small
percentage of new contacts each few days or week, say. Along the way, an
expanding network is going to collide with other similarly expanding
networks and automatically merge.  From any individual's perspective, this
would be a sudden upsurge, like a doubling of the size of one's network
overnight.

A single individual who happens to know two people who belong to different
clusters can singlehandedly merge those clusters, at least in a
mathematical sense.  But if there are two large and tightly interconnected
clusters connected by a single individual, their status as a "one single" 
network is very tenuous.  If that one account gets deleted, does that
separate the two clusters, causing all their members to see their network
size drop in half?

I think about these issues because my web site has a somewhat analogous
problem: political families.  Thousands of the politicians in my database
are connected by blood, marriage, or adoption.  Every cluster of three or
more is listed here: http://politicalgraveyard.com/families/index.html
(there are 410 clusters; the largest one has 130 members).

The clusters are determined (and even named) automatically: the program,
in effect, follows each link and connects up everyone it finds into one
"family".  By this logic, Mario Cuomo is listed on the Kennedy family
page, because his son married RFK's daughter.

I do include a disclaimer that says: "Some families traditionally (and
perhaps properly) considered separately are joined together here if linked
by marriage or otherwise." 

The largest cluster, Livingston-Harrison-Lee, includes such folks as
George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Jay, James Madison, John
Marshall, William Henry Harrison, Zachary Taylor, and Jefferson Davis -- I
guess it illustrates what a small world was the aristocracy of early
America.

But I'm not really interested in seeing the big clusters merge with each
other, likely as that is as I accumulate more data.  Who really wants to
plow through an inventory of thousands of people in one enormous cluster?
70 responses total.
polytarp
response 1 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 11:13 UTC 2003

I'm afraid of Friendster.  Someone sent me an invitation to sign up, and I
still have no idea what it is:  Nor do I even want to know at this point.

Signed, I hate Friendster.
polygon
response 2 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 13:59 UTC 2003

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rcurl
response 3 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 14:58 UTC 2003

What's Friendster do?
polytarp
response 4 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 15:12 UTC 2003

Don't ask.
mynxcat
response 5 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 15:21 UTC 2003

I lost interest in Friendster. 
lynne
response 6 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 15:28 UTC 2003

It's a six-degrees-of-separation type website.  And it always seemed like
the bad-idea factor outweighed the possibly-fun factor.
tod
response 7 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 16:27 UTC 2003

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slynne
response 8 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 20:43 UTC 2003

I think it is kind of fun. It is fun to see who knows whom and such. 
What really interests me is how I am sometimes connected to people by 
multiple, seemingly unrelated, paths. It is kind of cool. 
slynne
response 9 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 23 20:45 UTC 2003

Oh yeah, and I really think it is cool that my family is kind of one of 
the political family groups. 
http://politicalgraveyard.com/families/4499.html

Larry, you rock. 
arianna
response 10 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 17:17 UTC 2003

I'm on it, but only just recently -- (carson) exerted peer pressure upon me.
lk
response 11 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 24 22:26 UTC 2003

I suppose now that I've been invited to join that it can't hurt -- they
already have my email. :(
polygon
response 12 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 25 18:08 UTC 2003

My email has been out in public for so long, and in so many places, that
it would be silly to try to hide it now.  I do get 2,000-some spam per
month (not even counting the Nigerian frauds), but I have a spam filter
to sort it out for me.

I have noticed that Friendster won't let you visit the profile pages of
people more than about 4 links away.  Does that mean that 12,000-some
individuals are within four links of me?  Hard to believe...
naftee
response 13 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 26 01:23 UTC 2003

Friendster sucks.
polytarp
response 14 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jun 26 01:36 UTC 2003

I agree fully.
carson
response 15 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 16:42 UTC 2003

(Larry's correct in noticing that Friendster only connects within four
degrees of separation.  if one begins from the premise that we are all
connected within six degrees, it's not hard to imagine that a fairly
large number of people are connected within four.  to take Larry for
example, if all of his nine friends have nine friends who all have nine
friends, et cetera, then he's connected to 7380 people.  that doesn't
account for overlapping [i.e., Aaron and Lynne are friends with each
other, and both friends of Larry]...  and it also doesn't account for
what I like to call "mega-friends.")

(let's take David Haselhoff, for instance.  Mr. Haselhoff, late of 
_Baywatch_, has made many fans through his long and illustrious acting
career, not to mention his popularity as an overseas singing sensation.
he currently lists a whopping 348 friends.  I can only imagine the
size of his personal network, and the closer someone is to him, the 
larger their own personal network will be.)

(there are probably analogous figures in political history [my best
guess: many of the Kennedys] who, by virtue of being personally 
connected to many people, greatly expand the network of those who make
their acquaintance.)
tod
response 16 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 17:08 UTC 2003

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carson
response 17 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 19:00 UTC 2003

(he's in mine, too.  so's God.  twice, at least.)
dcat
response 18 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 20:12 UTC 2003

hmm.  It seems like Erdos should get a mention here. . . .
slynne
response 19 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 20:22 UTC 2003

I dont think David Hasselhoff is in my network. But then, he might be. 
I have something like 50,000 people in my network which seems like a 
whole lot. 
slynne
response 20 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 20:23 UTC 2003

I did notice that God was in my network but I figured if God wanted to 
be my friend, he would ask me so I never bothered to ask him to be his 
friend ;)
flem
response 21 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 20:32 UTC 2003

re 18:  Heh.  
orinoco
response 22 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jul 10 21:01 UTC 2003

Actually, there are a few Friendster-type sites out there for mathematicians,
including at least one for finding Erdos numbers.  My uncle is a
mathematician, and he sends us links to this sort of thing from time to time.
Try http://www.acs.oakland.edu/~grossman/erdoshp.html
janc
response 23 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 02:53 UTC 2003

My Erdos number is 3.
gelinas
response 24 of 70: Mark Unseen   Jul 11 04:04 UTC 2003

I assume mine is a sideways figure eight.

(I've never published a paper, much less collaborated on one.)
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