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beeswing
Napster: Thieves or Coolness? Mark Unseen   Sep 6 16:09 UTC 2000

I have discovered Napster.

Part of me feels it is stealing.

Part of me feels it is great that I can now I have songs when I'd have to 
buy a CD full of songs I hate for the sake of one song. That I can have 
all the 80s flashbacks I can stand, FREE!

Part of me wants a CD burner now REAL badly.

Part of me is very frustrated when I know phrases of songs, but not 
artist or title so I can't find it on Napster.

Discuss.
206 responses total.
willard
response 1 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 16:12 UTC 2000

Fuck the RIAA.  Napster lives.
edina
response 2 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 16:14 UTC 2000

Bees - I am in the same boat you are - I partially feel it is stealing, but
also enjoy the convenience of it.  Gary was able to make a Christmas cd of
all Irish songs he grew up on for free - he is a happy man.
rcurl
response 3 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 16:20 UTC 2000

It is stealing. 
willard
response 4 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 16:24 UTC 2000

So what?
tpryan
response 5 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 16:28 UTC 2000

        If I allready own the song on an LP, then download it via 
Napster, am I stealing, or just shortcutting the route of LP to 
audio in, to digital format?
ashke
response 6 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 17:30 UTC 2000

Uhh...I am the person Lars Ulrich would love to kill.  Not that I downloaded
any Metalica (meanies) but I have been...bad there.  Plus I havea  CD burner.
My roommate and I have turned all our CD's into MP3's and have been looking
for our vynal and tape stuff there to have.  

The day Napster was supposed to shut down, I like many others connected to
get our last minute songs.  Oh my.  I did 440 in 8 hours.  Still done more
since.  They're all cool and obscure stuff I love.

Long Live Free Music!

(hey bees, if you ahve a song question, ask me.  I might know it, or at least
know someone who does!!)
krj
response 7 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 17:48 UTC 2000

(I don't want to dampen this discussion.  There's an enormous mp3/Napster
item in the music conference, item #240  ( item:music,240 )
which one might read if one has a lot of time.  I won't link this one 
to music until it has time to acquire its own Agoraflavor.)
slynne
response 8 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 18:35 UTC 2000

Are all of the songs on napster copyrighted or are some of them put 
there by artists hoping someone will download them so they can get some 
recognition? It is stealing if it has a copyright but I can see the 
value of a service like napster for up and coming musicians. 
jerryr
response 9 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 20:51 UTC 2000

as i understand it, napster doesn't warehouse any mp3's.  they act as a
clearing house.
ea
response 10 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 21:28 UTC 2000

Yes it's stealing.  However, I (like so many other people) will argue 
that the Recording Industry has yet to come up with an effective pricing 
scheme.  If they could charge me 2-5 cents per song and then give me the 
song in MP3 format, I'd happily pay for most of the songs I've 
downloaded from Napster (the others I own the CD for already, it's just 
that I haven't found a good ripper program)

There are some songs that I've gotten through Napster that are rather 
hard to get through normal channels.  For example, I collect college 
Marching Band and Drumline songs.  If the college band has put out a CD, 
they usually only distribute on-campus or close to it.  Without Napster, 
I wouldn't be able to get some of this music without some pretty 
expensive travel costs.
beeswing
response 11 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 6 21:31 UTC 2000

ashke... there's some song from the 80s with the line "father, oh 
father, everybody's young and far too serious". Title? Artist? Damn if 
I know. But I MUST have it...

Didn't sleep last night for being awake downloading. Need a nap. But 
must download more. More more more
danr
response 12 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 7 00:43 UTC 2000

re #10: There's no "yes, but" about it.

There's a very interesting article on this topic in the September 2000 issue of
The Atlantic. It's very interesting reading.
rcurl
response 13 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 7 00:46 UTC 2000

Do you know that *all* thieves are essentially complaining about a
"pricing scheme"? 
anderyn
response 14 of 206: Mark Unseen   Sep 7 01:09 UTC 2000

I'll have to find a copy of the Atlantic, then. I figure that having a copy
of someone's CD/vinyl/cassette is okay if *a* they made it so you could hear
a group to see if you like them *b* you then buy the album so as to have a
legit copy or *c* you cannot buy a copy of that album because of out-of-print
issues. I still haven't figured out how to use Napster, and haven'tn really
been interested, since not very many people who frequent the site are going
to have the kinds of music which I'd want to download.
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