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scholar
WLEL?! Mark Unseen   Jan 3 08:40 UTC 2006

Game #1192765632 - $0.50/$1 Texas Hold'em - 2006/01/03-02:13:11.3 (CST)
Table "St Barthelemy" (real money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Seat  1: xboyfriend  ($0.00 in chips)
Seat  2: 123421  ($50.50 in chips)
Seat  3: kljnlna  ($19.00 in chips)
Seat  4: Patri  ($61.25 in chips)
Seat  5: Bees06  ($23.25 in chips)
Seat  6: kronicbhtr  ($18.50 in chips)
Seat  7: paris_kid  ($62.25 in chips)
Seat  8: Andy77fish  ($29.75 in chips)
Seat  9: yellowhammer  ($68.00 in chips)
Seat 10: polytarp  ($50.00 in chips)
yellowhammer: Post Small Blind ($0.25)
polytarp: Post Big Blind ($0.50)
Dealing...
Dealt to polytarp [ 9d ]
Dealt to polytarp [ 9c ]
123421  : Fold
kljnlna : Fold
Patri   : Fold
Bees06  : Call ($0.50)
kronicbhtr: Call ($0.50)
paris_kid: Fold
Andy77fish: Call ($0.50)
yellowhammer: Call ($0.25)
polytarp: Raise ($0.50)
Bees06  : Call ($0.50)
kronicbhtr: Call ($0.50)
Andy77fish: Call ($0.50)
yellowhammer: Call ($0.50)
*** FLOP *** : [ 3c 5s 9s ]
yellowhammer: Check
polytarp: Check
Bees06  : Check
kronicbhtr: Check
Andy77fish: Bet ($0.50)
yellowhammer: Call ($0.50)
polytarp: Raise ($1)
Bees06  : Call ($1)
kronicbhtr: Fold
Andy77fish: Raise ($1)
yellowhammer: Call ($1)
polytarp: Raise ($1)
Bees06  : Call ($1)
Andy77fish: Call ($0.50)
yellowhammer: Call ($0.50)
*** TURN *** : [ 3c 5s 9s ] [ Ks ]
yellowhammer: Check
polytarp: Check
Bees06  : Bet ($1)
Andy77fish: Raise ($2)
yellowhammer: Fold

What do I do here?!
37 responses total.
mcnally
response 1 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 3 16:08 UTC 2006

 Call, unless you are >95% certain (i.e. almost positive) that someone has
 filled their flush or hit a set of trip kings.

 Dismissing the case of trip kings and assuming a flush you still have as many
 as 10 outs which will improve your hand to beat a made flush -- you should
 call from pot odds alone.  Even better, you can't be sure you're not actually
 still the best hand as things stand.  However, if you reraise you're probably
 going to drop any hands that are still drawing (like a naked ace of spades)
 and if there's going to be more money going into the pot you'd rather it come
 from them than from you.

 You have a strong hand in this situation -- very strong.  The fact that it
 might be beat means you can't bet it quite as strongly but that's poker..
tod
response 2 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 3 17:55 UTC 2006

Reel that fish in, dah
naftee
response 3 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 04:32 UTC 2006

whoa !

scholar !

this guy i work with was talking about online poker !
he said he played for about two hours this afternoon, and made only a dollar.
HOWEVER< he said that if he had won, he would've made 5 dollars or something.
scholar
response 4 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 05:20 UTC 2006

whoa!

anyway, uh, here's what happened, starting from the beginning of the flop!:

*** TURN *** : [ 3c 5s 9s ] [ Ks ]
yellowhammer: Check
polytarp: Check
Bees06  : Bet ($1)
Andy77fish: Raise ($2)
yellowhammer: Fold
polytarp: Call ($2)
Bees06  : Raise ($2)
Andy77fish: Call ($1)
polytarp: Call ($1)
*** RIVER *** : [ 3c 5s 9s Ks ] [ 5d ]
polytarp: Check
Bees06  : Bet ($1)
Andy77fish: Call ($1)
polytarp: Raise ($2)
Bees06  : Raise ($2)
Andy77fish: Fold
polytarp: Raise ($2)
Bees06  : Call ($1)
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $30 | Rake: $1
Board: [ 3c  5s  9s  Ks  5d ]
xboyfriend didn't bet
123421 didn't bet (folded)
kljnlna didn't bet (folded)
Patri didn't bet (folded)
Bees06 lost $10   [ 8s  As ]  (a flush, ace high)
kronicbhtr lost $1 (folded)
paris_kid didn't bet (folded)
Andy77fish lost $7 (folded)
yellowhammer lost $3 (folded)
polytarp bet $10, collected $30, net +$20 (showed hand) [ 9d  9c ]  (a full
house, nines full of fives)

ANYWAY< YEAH>}

IT WAS KIND OF EXCITING TO WIN SUCH A LARGE POT AT SUCH LOW LIMIT STAKES< BUT
ANYWAY>

mcnally
response 5 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 05:47 UTC 2006

 Actually my advice in #1 is incorrect.  The only hand that should make you
 fold on the turn is trip kings -- any other hand that could be made at that
 stage gives you pot odds to call, and your implied odds are better yet.

 Even if the player with the ace-high flush *showed you their cards* on the
 turn, considering the amount of money in the pot it would still be incorrect
 to fold.
scholar
response 6 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 06:19 UTC 2006

indeed.
tsty
response 7 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 06:33 UTC 2006

of all the poker i have played, i have yet to unerstand this (seemingly)
idiotic bluff game- it ain;'t poker ... it aoin;t american.
  
scholar
response 8 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 08:27 UTC 2006

Can someone tell me what tsty's response means.

Is he saying he doesn't like bluffing?

Moreover, is he saying there was a lot of bluffing in this hand?

I don't get it.

Anytime I bet, I believed I had the best hand or would get enough callers to
increase expected value.

The only other person whose cards we saw made a questionable call preflop,
and called/raised reasonably after that.

I also don't know why tsty seems to think this hand was unamerican.  I'd bet
that more than half the people at the table were citizens of the U.S.

tsty seems to be the only idiot here.
naftee
response 9 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 4 20:52 UTC 2006

it smells like cigarette smoke in here.
bhoward
response 10 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 01:45 UTC 2006

What kind?
scholar
response 11 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 01:53 UTC 2006

Tobacco, I am told.
naftee
response 12 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 02:26 UTC 2006

re 10 
i'm no conaisseur of cigarettes ; i couldn't tell you the brand or anything
 :(
mcnally
response 13 of 37: Mark Unseen   Jan 5 22:15 UTC 2006

 Tangentially related (at best..):  Last night I wound up stuck in Seattle
 overnight after United badly screwed up the first leg of my cross-country
 return from Christmas vacation.  Since I got in too late to shop or dine
 at one of my favorite restaurants but didn't feel like sitting around in
 the hotel room, I took a taxi to a card room about five miles from my hotel
 and played High/Low Omaha for three hours or so..  And as much as I think
 it's a matter better left unlegislated, I have to admit that I very much
 enjoyed the smokelessness of the card room, thanks to Washington's sweeping
 new anti-public-smoking law.
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